The Real Road 2: European Escapade(Game Thread)

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torstar wrote:

It also boils my blood when I hear people say "all lives matter" - people like this are completely missing the point of BLM. 

i was at a rally for gary johnson and i think he put it great, he said something along the lines of "it's obvious that all lives matter but right now that's not the point. black lives matter because white people are not the ones that have to worry about being gunned down walking down the street. they're not being locked up and murdered at alarming rate" he said something along those lines

Yes... and I think some people are just blind to that. When you're white and you're not directly affected by it.. some act like it just simply doesn't exist as a problem because they're not living it. 

RLK2014 wrote:

Well i guess I can start lol. What kapernick was doing was not a stand against black lives. It was during the national anthem which is supposed to show support for his country protesting showed her does support or care about america

Do you think he is disrespecting the country by not standing?

100% there are other ways he could have supported the black lives matter movement then being disrespectful to his country

I have also known of white people getting shot. What about the BLM protests were people are burning down there own community it happened in ferguson 

Hold onto that thought, I'll be coming back to that soon!

ryan373 wrote:

torstar wrote:It also boils my blood when I hear people say "all lives matter" - people like this are completely missing the point of BLM. 

i was at a rally for gary johnson and i think he put it great, he said something along the lines of "it's obvious that all lives matter but right now that's not the point. black lives matter because white people are not the ones that have to worry about being gunned down walking down the street. they're not being locked up and murdered at alarming rate" he said something along those lines

Yes... and I think some people are just blind to that. When you're white and you're not directly affected by it.. some act like it just simply doesn't exist as a problem because they're not living it. 

i mean i'm white but i think it's just that like i'm aware of it and that isn't necessarily the case for everyone

RLK2014 wrote:

Well i guess I can start lol. What kapernick was doing was not a stand against black lives. It was during the national anthem which is supposed to show support for his country protesting showed her does support or care about america

Do you think he is disrespecting the country by not standing?

yes, there are so many other ways to go about it

All lives Matter for me. Here in england apart from Whites and Blacks every other minority is under constant discrimination. I understand why BLM is important but i don't see how incorporating everyone else into it, dimishes anything. The whole point of ALM is that everyone is equal. In different places, different groups are being targeted. A huge movement that targets all racism is better than individual ones disunited with each other. A global movement > National Movement.

It also boils my blood when I hear people say "all lives matter" - people like this are completely missing the point of BLM. 

i agree with you 100 percent with this. But I also feel like during protests people have taken it to a whole nother level of rioting and stealing and using the saying of black lives matter on why it's okay they are doing it. 

Do you think he is disrespecting the country by not standing?

No - what he did was get people discussing what the National Anthem meant. It was written back when slavery was still around, and the unsung third stanza praised that quite well. Why is it that, when blacks go to protest, they are told to not be disturbing, and then this incident occurs, and everyone's up in arms?

...That's where the buck stops with Kapernick. He has done nothing else to keep the discussion going.

torstar wrote:

ryan373 wrote:

torstar wrote:It also boils my blood when I hear people say "all lives matter" - people like this are completely missing the point of BLM. 

i was at a rally for gary johnson and i think he put it great, he said something along the lines of "it's obvious that all lives matter but right now that's not the point. black lives matter because white people are not the ones that have to worry about being gunned down walking down the street. they're not being locked up and murdered at alarming rate" he said something along those lines

Yes... and I think some people are just blind to that. When you're white and you're not directly affected by it.. some act like it just simply doesn't exist as a problem because they're not living it. 

i mean i'm white but i think it's just that like i'm aware of it and that isn't necessarily the case for everyone

I'm white too so I feel like I see many people, even people close to me, who just aren't educated on the subject. 

RLK2014 wrote:

Well i guess I can start lol. What kapernick was doing was not a stand against black lives. It was during the national anthem which is supposed to show support for his country protesting showed her does support or care about america

Do you think he is disrespecting the country by not standing?

He made a stand to spread the movement. Were there better ways ? Perhaps but when people set themselves on fire its not the backlash and pain they be thinking about but rather to spread the message.

All lives Matter for me. Here in england apart from Whites and Blacks every other minority is under constant discrimination. I understand why BLM is important but i don't see how incorporating everyone else into it, dimishes anything. The whole point of ALM is that everyone is equal. In different places, different groups are being targeted. A huge movement that targets all racism is better than individual ones disunited with each other. A global movement > National Movement.

Would anyone like to refute this claim since you're all not supporters of ALM but Internationfan is?

HonestTea101 wrote:

Do you think he is disrespecting the country by not standing?

No - what he did was get people discussing what the National Anthem meant. It was written back when slavery was still around, and the unsung third stanza praised that quite well. Why is it that, when blacks go to protest, they are told to not be disturbing, and then this incident occurs, and everyone's up in arms?...That's where the buck stops with Kapernick. He has done nothing else to keep the discussion going.

as a professional athlete though you should be respectful of your country, your lucky enough to have such a talent so you need to set a good example

The thing with this football player not standing during the national anthem is that it serves as symbolism. Black people are killed by the cops and that's not symbolic. People may be offended, people may think is disrespectful, but in the end, is his right to protest to a real issue here, and he has all the rights to do it as he wants.

ItalianBeats wrote:

HonestTea101 wrote:Do you think he is disrespecting the country by not standing?

No - what he did was get people discussing what the National Anthem meant. It was written back when slavery was still around, and the unsung third stanza praised that quite well. Why is it that, when blacks go to protest, they are told to not be disturbing, and then this incident occurs, and everyone's up in arms?...That's where the buck stops with Kapernick. He has done nothing else to keep the discussion going.

as a professional athlete though you should be respectful of your country, your lucky enough to have such a talent so you need to set a good example

i agree with you here. Standing for the national anthem is a sign of respect for the country. I understand wanting to make a statement but I think he did it all wrong and his career is most likely over because of it. 

What are your thoughts on The Blue Lives Matter movement? Do you think all cops should be put into the same category as those who killed innocent white, black, and other minority people?[/size

The thing with this football player not standing during the national anthem is that it serves as symbolism. Black people are killed by the cops and that's not symbolic. People may be offended, people may think is disrespectful, but in the end, is his right to protest to a real issue here, and he has all the rights to do it as he wants.

but kapernick grew up in a white household and is also not aware of what colored people really go through

[size=25pt]What are your thoughts on The Blue Lives Matter movement? Do you think all cops should be put into the same category as those who killed innocent white, black, and other minority people?[/size

no, because that would be overgeneralizing the situation most cops are genuinely good people just trying to do their jobs

The thing with this football player not standing during the national anthem is that it serves as symbolism. Black people are killed by the cops and that's not symbolic. People may be offended, people may think is disrespectful, but in the end, is his right to protest to a real issue here, and he has all the rights to do it as he wants.

I agree. When innocent people are dying, not standing during a national anthem shouldn't even compare. Setting a good example isn't as important as making sure that innocent people are not discriminated against.

InternationalFan wrote:

All lives Matter for me. Here in england apart from Whites and Blacks every other minority is under constant discrimination. I understand why BLM is important but i don't see how incorporating everyone else into it, dimishes anything. The whole point of ALM is that everyone is equal. In different places, different groups are being targeted. A huge movement that targets all racism is better than individual ones disunited with each other. A global movement > National Movement.

Would anyone like to refute this claim since you're all not supporters of ALM but Internationfan is?

well no offense but being from another country I think it's hard to be able to understand why the ALM movement is rather insensitive. The BLM movement was not to say black lives matter more than anyone else. But they needed to be treated equally as such 

InternationalFan wrote:

All lives Matter for me. Here in england apart from Whites and Blacks every other minority is under constant discrimination. I understand why BLM is important but i don't see how incorporating everyone else into it, dimishes anything. The whole point of ALM is that everyone is equal. In different places, different groups are being targeted. A huge movement that targets all racism is better than individual ones disunited with each other. A global movement > National Movement.

Would anyone like to refute this claim since you're all not supporters of ALM but Internationfan is?

Saying "All Lives Matter" is like saying to a poor person "I'm not going to support you because the rich person living 30 blocks away from you is also suffering for X reason". There's a difference between equality and equity. "All lives matter" stand for an equality between people, but what we need is equity, in the context that black people has been mistreated for decades, and historically are the people most discriminated on the United States, so we should acknowledge that and take measures to ensure that we can achieve an status in which we could bring equality and it wouldn't feel that people from other races have a head start. Thats why Black Lives Matter now. It doesn't mean that the other lives are worth less, it means that right now, the black lives are the ones we should take care about.

People also forgot about everyday people who are killed. Black lives and people of race are highlighted more in the media 

HonestTea101 wrote:

InternationalFan wrote:All lives Matter for me. Here in england apart from Whites and Blacks every other minority is under constant discrimination. I understand why BLM is important but i don't see how incorporating everyone else into it, dimishes anything. The whole point of ALM is that everyone is equal. In different places, different groups are being targeted. A huge movement that targets all racism is better than individual ones disunited with each other. A global movement > National Movement.

Would anyone like to refute this claim since you're all not supporters of ALM but Internationfan is?

well no offense but being from another country I think it's hard to be able to understand why the ALM movement is rather insensitive. The BLM movement was not to say black lives matter more than anyone else. But they needed to be treated equally as such 

Yeah not offended. From my point of view, isolating a single race doesn't make the movement more effective but less.

Hello, so there are my thoughts about those issues :

- First of all, I think the Black Lives Matter movement was made for a good cause, because it's very important to remind the fact that Black people lives does matter, especially in USA which has a sad history of the slaughter of Black people. Indeed, during Jim Crow era, White people used to kill Black people (and especially black men) for thrill and fun (with lynching) or when some White woman after having sex with Black men cried rape to make them killed. This "Jim Crow" mentality is still quite deep rooted in some folks in USA (especially in the South) and hence, some cops but also regular White people still wants to perpetuate that mentality which explained to this day, a Black man life doesn't worth a shit. 

- For that matter, it's obvious that Blue Lives Matter, because at the end of the day, cops are still regular people with family and stuff, but personally, this movement could come across as a provocation against #BlackLivesMatter and hence, quite pointless. Why you would ask ? Because if the Black Lives movement didn't exist, there would haven been no such thing as Blue Lives Matter. Plus, I must admit that I think this movement was also a subtle way to shut down the Black Lives movement, and a political correctness way to say White Lives Matter (since most of cops are White)

- I could understand why he upset people that Colin Kaeparnick didn't stand up for the national anthem BUT at the end of the day, it's not ILLEGAL to do it, plus, USA is free country and sold itself to the world that way. SO, Colin has the right to not stand and sing during the national anthem. Also, I found his reasons pretty much accurate because, why standing up to a national anthem in a country where Black people were and still are mistreated for the simple fact of being who they are ? 
Must of non-Black people (Whites, Mestizos Latinos, Asians, Arabs, Jews...) cosigning and even perpetuate the discrimination Black people are facing right now in America. Plus, Black people BUILT what America is today but yet, White establishment still wants to perpetuate the idea that without them, Black people would be nothing, and hence that tehy are the most inferior race by calling us and paint us as thugs, drug dealers, sexual predators, rapists, violent criminals, so forth and so on...

 

Francisco wrote:

The thing with this football player not standing during the national anthem is that it serves as symbolism. Black people are killed by the cops and that's not symbolic. People may be offended, people may think is disrespectful, but in the end, is his right to protest to a real issue here, and he has all the rights to do it as he wants.

but kapernick grew up in a white household and is also not aware of what colored people really go through

I think that not living through the circumstances that fuel your protest don't take anything away from the protest itself. He can see the news and be offended. It's the human thing to do.

RLK2014 wrote:

Well i guess I can start lol. What kapernick was doing was not a stand against black lives. It was during the national anthem which is supposed to show support for his country protesting showed her does support or care about america

Do you think he is disrespecting the country by not standing?

Absolutely NOT. Because at the end of the day, America is a FREE country, and it's not ILLEGAL to not stand during the national anthem like I explained earlier. Smile

Would anyone like to refute this claim since you're all not supporters of ALM but Internationfan is?

ALM, to me, is used in response to whenever BLM calls for justice. ALM is nothing, to me, other than hypocrisy - if All Lives Matter, then why isn't anyone in the US concerned with what's going on in Chechnya with the gays? Where are they when Syrians want to flee their war-torn state?

There have been some instances of violence from BLM supporters. Do you think their violence hurts the credibility of the movement?

RLK2014 wrote:

Francisco wrote:The thing with this football player not standing during the national anthem is that it serves as symbolism. Black people are killed by the cops and that's not symbolic. People may be offended, people may think is disrespectful, but in the end, is his right to protest to a real issue here, and he has all the rights to do it as he wants.

but kapernick grew up in a white household and is also not aware of what colored people really go through

I think that not living through the circumstances that fuel your protest don't take anything away from the protest itself. He can see the news and be offended. It's the human thing to do.

but the news and social media are all aimed at certain things they edit what they show believing the news is like believing the kardashians have natural butts

There have been some instances of violence from BLM supporters. Do you think their violence hurts the credibility of the movement?

Yes I do. It only gives people who oppose the movement more fuel to work with.

HonestTea101 wrote:

InternationalFan wrote:All lives Matter for me. Here in england apart from Whites and Blacks every other minority is under constant discrimination. I understand why BLM is important but i don't see how incorporating everyone else into it, dimishes anything. The whole point of ALM is that everyone is equal. In different places, different groups are being targeted. A huge movement that targets all racism is better than individual ones disunited with each other. A global movement > National Movement.

Would anyone like to refute this claim since you're all not supporters of ALM but Internationfan is?

Saying "All Lives Matter" is like saying to a poor person "I'm not going to support you because the rich person living 30 blocks away from you is also suffering for X reason". There's a difference between equality and equity. "All lives matter" stand for an equality between people, but what we need is equity, in the context that black people has been mistreated for decades, and historically are the people most discriminated on the United States, so we should acknowledge that and take measures to ensure that we can achieve an status in which we could bring equality and it wouldn't feel that people from other races have a head start. Thats why Black Lives Matter now. It doesn't mean that the other lives are worth less, it means that right now, the black lives are the ones we should take care about.

To me, ALM is making sure everyone is equal. So if there is a certain race that is being treated differently in a certain region or area it needs to be addressed. ALM to me is about all races contributing. BLM, while i agree with it, takes away the unity from it imo. I definitely think the movement has cause but to say ALM is less makes little sense to me.

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