The Challenge XXX: Dirty 30- Christopher Ammon

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Because you can't hate someone for being hateful when you are just as hateful. Educate them. Jenna was ignorant and dumb, it's the world she grew up in. Weren't her and Chris close in the beginning? And her and the black guy? She wasn't a hateful racist homophobe, she was an ignorant moron. It could have been a great growing experience towards for her but the way everyone treated her probably just cemented the ignorant ideas that were pushed on her as a child.

agreed, plus the fact he even said that Jenna would probably be bisexual if it wasn't for her family. 

It kinda sucks that the SJW are so defensive when you use the wrong pronoun or say there's only two genders. I'm actually very interested in learning about his story and how he identifies, but I tend not to comment on the subject because I feel like if I say one wrong thing I'll never hear the end of it.

I hope he explains his non-binary gender because I'm confused but willingly to learn about it.

It kinda sucks that the SJW are so defensive when you use the wrong pronoun or say there's only two genders. I'm actually very interested in learning about his story and how he identifies, but I tend not to comment on the subject because I feel like if I say one wrong thing I'll never hear the end of it.I hope he explains his non-binary gender because I'm confused but willingly to learn about it.

That's what sjw's want you to feel. They want people to walk on eggshells or else they will protest and accuse you of being a racist, bigot, sexist, homophobe who hates the poor. I despise sjw's

Gorbo wrote:

Ewww. I'm so tired of what people "identify" as. If i want to identify as a moose, does that make me a moose?

Ewww. I'm so tired of people who get bothered by this, and use outrageous examples as arguments against it. 

I like Ammo tbh. Wasn't that crazy about Chris but so far he is proving to be a good addition to the show. I'll take Ammo over Derrick H on another season any day.

But one thing i don't care for about Ammo is his hair. Its gotta go

TwoStrikes wrote:

Gorbo wrote:Ewww. I'm so tired of what people "identify" as. If i want to identify as a moose, does that make me a moose?

Ewww. I'm so tired of people who get bothered by this, and use outrageous examples as arguments against it. 

I'm honestly taken aback by how much I like him this season. He's done a lot of growing up since RW. I hope we get to see him and Jenna together on a future season to see how they've matured together.

I'm also surprised at how much I like him. It's like he's a totally different person. I hope he talks about his genderqueer identity and MTV uses it as a teachable moment.

Gorbo wrote:

Ewww. I'm so tired of what people "identify" as. If i want to identify as a moose, does that make me a moose?

Ewww. I'm so tired of people who get bothered by this, and use outrageous examples as arguments against it. 

TwoStrikes wrote:

badladjj wrote:Soooo when you gotta mark male or female on paper what is he about to put? I'm sorry but I support sexual identity and gender identity to the point where you are either a boy or girl. You can't just not be one. Like pick a side and embrace it. Kinda over him and this is coming from a rather flamboyant gay male who still classifies as a male and proud of it! 

"I support gender identity but only if it's A or B" 

I mean.. there's only two sexes. Except for the very, very rare occurance that you have both. If you want to act a certain way, or dress a certain way, or even have surgery to reassign yourself, great, do you. But still, biologically, you either have an X or Y chromosome. *Cue argument that sex and gender aren't the same* I think they are. Just because I believe I'm a mermaid doesn't make it true.

This is not that simple and quite disrespectful towards trans community. 

deeper wrote:

TwoStrikes wrote:

badladjj wrote:Soooo when you gotta mark male or female on paper what is he about to put? I'm sorry but I support sexual identity and gender identity to the point where you are either a boy or girl. You can't just not be one. Like pick a side and embrace it. Kinda over him and this is coming from a rather flamboyant gay male who still classifies as a male and proud of it! 

"I support gender identity but only if it's A or B" 

I mean.. there's only two sexes. Except for the very, very rare occurance that you have both. If you want to act a certain way, or dress a certain way, or even have surgery to reassign yourself, great, do you. But still, biologically, you either have an X or Y chromosome. *Cue argument that sex and gender aren't the same* I think they are. Just because I believe I'm a mermaid doesn't make it true.

This is not that simple and quite disrespectful towards trans community. 

How? I'm not saying that as a dig I'm genuinely asking. I am totally respectful of people and their right to identify how they want, but how is it disrespectful to acknowledge basic biology? In my opinion, having either an X or Y chromosome is pretty darn simple. What you choose to do after birth is all up to you, but just saying.

kollanekoer wrote:

deeper wrote:

TwoStrikes wrote:
badladjj wrote:Soooo when you gotta mark male or female on paper what is he about to put? I'm sorry but I support sexual identity and gender identity to the point where you are either a boy or girl. You can't just not be one. Like pick a side and embrace it. Kinda over him and this is coming from a rather flamboyant gay male who still classifies as a male and proud of it! 

"I support gender identity but only if it's A or B" 

I mean.. there's only two sexes. Except for the very, very rare occurance that you have both. If you want to act a certain way, or dress a certain way, or even have surgery to reassign yourself, great, do you. But still, biologically, you either have an X or Y chromosome. *Cue argument that sex and gender aren't the same* I think they are. Just because I believe I'm a mermaid doesn't make it true.

This is not that simple and quite disrespectful towards trans community. 

How? I'm not saying that as a dig I'm genuinely asking. I am totally respectful of people and their right to identify how they want, but how is it disrespectful to acknowledge basic biology?

I mean i am sure trans people are aware of modern world biology but you just can not say "if i believe i am mermaid..."

These people are born into wrong body, they dont "believe" it, they know. So if they say they are female or male, textbook biology on what makes someone either male or female is not something what should be rubbed into their face. 

But Ammo is not even trans, so its another topic what is really complicated and no need to go too deep but if you interested, learn transpeople stories

deeper wrote:

kollanekoer wrote:

deeper wrote:
TwoStrikes wrote:
badladjj wrote:Soooo when you gotta mark male or female on paper what is he about to put? I'm sorry but I support sexual identity and gender identity to the point where you are either a boy or girl. You can't just not be one. Like pick a side and embrace it. Kinda over him and this is coming from a rather flamboyant gay male who still classifies as a male and proud of it! 

"I support gender identity but only if it's A or B" 

I mean.. there's only two sexes. Except for the very, very rare occurance that you have both. If you want to act a certain way, or dress a certain way, or even have surgery to reassign yourself, great, do you. But still, biologically, you either have an X or Y chromosome. *Cue argument that sex and gender aren't the same* I think they are. Just because I believe I'm a mermaid doesn't make it true.

This is not that simple and quite disrespectful towards trans community. 

How? I'm not saying that as a dig I'm genuinely asking. I am totally respectful of people and their right to identify how they want, but how is it disrespectful to acknowledge basic biology?

I mean i am sure trans people are aware of modern world biology but you just can not say "if i believe i am mermaid..."These people are born into wrong body, they dont "believe" it, they know. So if they say they are female or male, textbook biology on what makes someone either male or female is not something what should be rubbed into their face. But Ammo is not even trans, so its another topic what is really complicated and no need to go too deep but if you interested, learn transpeople stories

I am totally sympathetic to trans people who feel as if they're in the wrong body and decide to transition (or not!). I don't understand non-binary and the "ze" "demigirl" "intersex" etc stuff.  Like...you are either a boy or a girl. Your sexual organs define your sex (again, seems pretty simple). You can do what you want, but saying "I'm a demigirl queer nonbinary blah blah blah" doesn't make sense to me. That's when it seems like a grab at attention and not something like genuinely not being in the right body. Like that's fine, be as different as you want and do whatever you want to express yourself, but you either have a penis or vagina.

The mermaid thing wasn't a dig at trans people. It was a dig at the things mentioned above ^^^

Ex. Ammo is a boy. Point blank. He can express himself how he wants, but biologically, he's a boy.

kollanekoer wrote:

deeper wrote:

kollanekoer wrote:
deeper wrote:
TwoStrikes wrote:
badladjj wrote:Soooo when you gotta mark male or female on paper what is he about to put? I'm sorry but I support sexual identity and gender identity to the point where you are either a boy or girl. You can't just not be one. Like pick a side and embrace it. Kinda over him and this is coming from a rather flamboyant gay male who still classifies as a male and proud of it! 

"I support gender identity but only if it's A or B" 

I mean.. there's only two sexes. Except for the very, very rare occurance that you have both. If you want to act a certain way, or dress a certain way, or even have surgery to reassign yourself, great, do you. But still, biologically, you either have an X or Y chromosome. *Cue argument that sex and gender aren't the same* I think they are. Just because I believe I'm a mermaid doesn't make it true.

This is not that simple and quite disrespectful towards trans community. 

How? I'm not saying that as a dig I'm genuinely asking. I am totally respectful of people and their right to identify how they want, but how is it disrespectful to acknowledge basic biology?

I mean i am sure trans people are aware of modern world biology but you just can not say "if i believe i am mermaid..."These people are born into wrong body, they dont "believe" it, they know. So if they say they are female or male, textbook biology on what makes someone either male or female is not something what should be rubbed into their face. But Ammo is not even trans, so its another topic what is really complicated and no need to go too deep but if you interested, learn transpeople stories

I am totally sympathetic to trans people who feel as if they're in the wrong body and decide to transition (or not!). I don't understand non-binary and the "ze" "demigirl" "intersex" etc stuff.  Like...you are either a boy or a girl. Your sexual organs define your sex (again, seems pretty simple). You can do what you want, but saying "I'm a demigirl queer nonbinary blah blah blah" doesn't make sense to me. That's when it seems like a grab at attention and not something like genuinely not being in the right body. Like that's fine, be as different as you want and do whatever you want to express yourself, but you either have a penis or vagina.The mermaid thing wasn't a dig at trans people. It was a dig at the things mentioned above ^^^Ex. Ammo is a boy. Point blank. He can express himself how he wants, but biologically, he's a boy.

Intersex is a totally different thing. Intersex is actually "biology," so please 1. don't bump it into the same category as gender identity, 2. don't say you don't understand it because sex is sex and you either have a penis or a vagina. You clearly don't know what intersex is

Google is free. Seriously.

The fact you don't share or don't understand other people's experiences doesn't mean those experiences don't exist. If Ammo says the label "boy" doesn't necessarily fully describe him, it is not your place to tell him who he is. You are not inside his head and you are definitely not inside his body. You are very lucky to experience your gender in a binary way, but that's not the case for everyone.

kollanekoer wrote:

deeper wrote:

kollanekoer wrote:
deeper wrote:
TwoStrikes wrote:
badladjj wrote:Soooo when you gotta mark male or female on paper what is he about to put? I'm sorry but I support sexual identity and gender identity to the point where you are either a boy or girl. You can't just not be one. Like pick a side and embrace it. Kinda over him and this is coming from a rather flamboyant gay male who still classifies as a male and proud of it! 

"I support gender identity but only if it's A or B" 

I mean.. there's only two sexes. Except for the very, very rare occurance that you have both. If you want to act a certain way, or dress a certain way, or even have surgery to reassign yourself, great, do you. But still, biologically, you either have an X or Y chromosome. *Cue argument that sex and gender aren't the same* I think they are. Just because I believe I'm a mermaid doesn't make it true.

This is not that simple and quite disrespectful towards trans community. 

How? I'm not saying that as a dig I'm genuinely asking. I am totally respectful of people and their right to identify how they want, but how is it disrespectful to acknowledge basic biology?

I mean i am sure trans people are aware of modern world biology but you just can not say "if i believe i am mermaid..."These people are born into wrong body, they dont "believe" it, they know. So if they say they are female or male, textbook biology on what makes someone either male or female is not something what should be rubbed into their face. But Ammo is not even trans, so its another topic what is really complicated and no need to go too deep but if you interested, learn transpeople stories

I am totally sympathetic to trans people who feel as if they're in the wrong body and decide to transition (or not!). I don't understand non-binary and the "ze" "demigirl" "intersex" etc stuff.  Like...you are either a boy or a girl. Your sexual organs define your sex (again, seems pretty simple). You can do what you want, but saying "I'm a demigirl queer nonbinary blah blah blah" doesn't make sense to me. That's when it seems like a grab at attention and not something like genuinely not being in the right body. Like that's fine, be as different as you want and do whatever you want to express yourself, but you either have a penis or vagina.The mermaid thing wasn't a dig at trans people. It was a dig at the things mentioned above ^^^Ex. Ammo is a boy. Point blank. He can express himself how he wants, but biologically, he's a boy.

deeper it is all good what you said until intersex, intersex is modern word for hermaphrodite.

deeper wrote:

kollanekoer wrote:

deeper wrote:
kollanekoer wrote:
deeper wrote:
TwoStrikes wrote:
badladjj wrote:Soooo when you gotta mark male or female on paper what is he about to put? I'm sorry but I support sexual identity and gender identity to the point where you are either a boy or girl. You can't just not be one. Like pick a side and embrace it. Kinda over him and this is coming from a rather flamboyant gay male who still classifies as a male and proud of it! 

"I support gender identity but only if it's A or B" 

I mean.. there's only two sexes. Except for the very, very rare occurance that you have both. If you want to act a certain way, or dress a certain way, or even have surgery to reassign yourself, great, do you. But still, biologically, you either have an X or Y chromosome. *Cue argument that sex and gender aren't the same* I think they are. Just because I believe I'm a mermaid doesn't make it true.

This is not that simple and quite disrespectful towards trans community. 

How? I'm not saying that as a dig I'm genuinely asking. I am totally respectful of people and their right to identify how they want, but how is it disrespectful to acknowledge basic biology?

I mean i am sure trans people are aware of modern world biology but you just can not say "if i believe i am mermaid..."These people are born into wrong body, they dont "believe" it, they know. So if they say they are female or male, textbook biology on what makes someone either male or female is not something what should be rubbed into their face. But Ammo is not even trans, so its another topic what is really complicated and no need to go too deep but if you interested, learn transpeople stories

I am totally sympathetic to trans people who feel as if they're in the wrong body and decide to transition (or not!). I don't understand non-binary and the "ze" "demigirl" "intersex" etc stuff.  Like...you are either a boy or a girl. Your sexual organs define your sex (again, seems pretty simple). You can do what you want, but saying "I'm a demigirl queer nonbinary blah blah blah" doesn't make sense to me. That's when it seems like a grab at attention and not something like genuinely not being in the right body. Like that's fine, be as different as you want and do whatever you want to express yourself, but you either have a penis or vagina.The mermaid thing wasn't a dig at trans people. It was a dig at the things mentioned above ^^^Ex. Ammo is a boy. Point blank. He can express himself how he wants, but biologically, he's a boy.

deeper it is all good what you said until intersex, intersex is modern word for hermaphrodite.

whoops, my mistake!

I mean its a difficult topic

I think human brain is so complex that there is def possibily that one feels like they are both female and male, not just one or even something its either of them.  Human body is basic, brain what is makes us different and this whole non-binary thing shows it. I think our science just dont understand this whole thing yet

Read something like this http://everydayfeminism.com/2017/02/things-not-to-say-non-binary-ppl/ parts 3 and 4 (click on highligted text for more read)

But I def understand where you are coming from, bc some people may be using that for attention and this what makes it really hard topic to understand.  But I think they deserve respect and support either way, bc some of them are even more confused by their own minds than we are.

deeper wrote:

kollanekoer wrote:

deeper wrote:
kollanekoer wrote:
deeper wrote:
TwoStrikes wrote:
badladjj wrote:Soooo when you gotta mark male or female on paper what is he about to put? I'm sorry but I support sexual identity and gender identity to the point where you are either a boy or girl. You can't just not be one. Like pick a side and embrace it. Kinda over him and this is coming from a rather flamboyant gay male who still classifies as a male and proud of it! 

"I support gender identity but only if it's A or B" 

I mean.. there's only two sexes. Except for the very, very rare occurance that you have both. If you want to act a certain way, or dress a certain way, or even have surgery to reassign yourself, great, do you. But still, biologically, you either have an X or Y chromosome. *Cue argument that sex and gender aren't the same* I think they are. Just because I believe I'm a mermaid doesn't make it true.

This is not that simple and quite disrespectful towards trans community. 

How? I'm not saying that as a dig I'm genuinely asking. I am totally respectful of people and their right to identify how they want, but how is it disrespectful to acknowledge basic biology?

I mean i am sure trans people are aware of modern world biology but you just can not say "if i believe i am mermaid..."These people are born into wrong body, they dont "believe" it, they know. So if they say they are female or male, textbook biology on what makes someone either male or female is not something what should be rubbed into their face. But Ammo is not even trans, so its another topic what is really complicated and no need to go too deep but if you interested, learn transpeople stories

I am totally sympathetic to trans people who feel as if they're in the wrong body and decide to transition (or not!). I don't understand non-binary and the "ze" "demigirl" "intersex" etc stuff.  Like...you are either a boy or a girl. Your sexual organs define your sex (again, seems pretty simple). You can do what you want, but saying "I'm a demigirl queer nonbinary blah blah blah" doesn't make sense to me. That's when it seems like a grab at attention and not something like genuinely not being in the right body. Like that's fine, be as different as you want and do whatever you want to express yourself, but you either have a penis or vagina.The mermaid thing wasn't a dig at trans people. It was a dig at the things mentioned above ^^^Ex. Ammo is a boy. Point blank. He can express himself how he wants, but biologically, he's a boy.

Intersex is a totally different thing. Intersex is actually "biology," so please 1. don't bump it into the same category as gender identity, 2. don't say you don't understand it because sex is sex and you either have a penis or a vagina. You clearly don't know what intersex isGoogle is free. Seriously.The fact you don't share or don't understand other people's experiences doesn't mean those experiences don't exist. If Ammo says the label "boy" doesn't necessarily fully describe him, it is not your place to tell him who he is. You are not inside his head and you are definitely not inside his body. You are very lucky to experience your gender in a binary way, but that's not the case for everyone.

Relax, people make mistakes darling. No need to be rude. 

I know what a hermaphrodite is, I said that several posts ago, I didn't know what the term intersex means, that doesn't mean I don't know what you're talking about so take it down a notch. No you're right, I'm not inside his body. But I do know his body has a penis attached to it, making him a boy. Again, he can fully express himself however he chooses and that's great! Boys can wear dresses and have nicknames like Misty and that's all good. If his mind is telling him he's not a boy with a penis attached to him, then he might be wrong, just saying. I'm not insensitive to the complexities of the human mind, I'm just stating facts. He can choose to identify however he wants, but he is a boy until he decides to transition into a girl if that day comes.

I mean its a difficult topicI think human brain is so complex that there is def possibily that one feels like they are both female and male, not just one or even something its either of them.  Human body is basic, brain what is makes us different and this whole non-binary thing shows it. I think our science just dont understand this whole thing yetRead something like this http://everydayfeminism.com/2017/02/things-not-to-say-non-binary-ppl/ parts 3 and 4 (click on highligted text for more read)But I def understand where you are coming from, bc some people may be using that for attention and this what makes it really hard topic to understand.  But I think they deserve respect and support either way, bc some of them are even more confused by their own minds than we are.

I am actually pretty well-read on the topic (despite my slight mishap of the intersex thing). I don't know if that's the most unbiased source, as I definitely do not identify as a (third wave/new age) feminist, but we don't have to go into that because that seems off topic. I understand the mind is extremely complex and we do not yet understand the complexities of it fully. 

I am fully respectful and supportive of trans/all people and I think my posts reflect that! I just am also a realist and think that not everyone needs to be coddled to avoid having their feelings hurt. There are two sexes (and intersex), and you are one or the other (or intersex lol). 

I just don't know why this is such a hot topic. There are people out there who pretend (and also fully believe!) that they are babies. Does that make them babies? No! There are people out there thinking they are a different race than they are, does that change their race? No! I am respectful of people being able to do what they want because hell, it doesn't hurt me, but I acknowledge that just because you feel/believe a certain thing about yourself doesn't make it true.

Nobody is saying that if someone body is looking some way then its not true, example what you gave. If grown person thinks they are baby actually, we all can see their body is not how babies look like but do we know how it looks inside? There is difference between how you look and what your mind feels or thinks. How can you judge someone how they feel inside. You dont know what is going on inside of them.

You can lable people men only based on a fact they have penis but that does not define them. Having a penis does not make anyone soul automatically male and instead of telling them, look you have this of that chromosome, respect their soul

Nobody is saying that if someone body is looking some way then its not true, example what you gave. If grown person thinks they are baby actually, we all can see their body is not how babies look like but do we know how it looks inside? There is difference between how you look and what your mind feels or thinks. How can you judge someone how they feel inside. You dont know what is going on inside of them.You can lable people men only based on a fact they have penis but that does not define them. Having a penis does not make anyone soul automatically male and instead of telling them, look you have this of that chromosome, respect their soul

Yes, I can do that because that is the human definition of a male.

I just said I respect people and their decisions. But the way they feel and their perspective on the outside world may not align. It doesn't make them bad people and it does not mean I don't like or respect them, it just means that their brain may not align with reality, and I don't think that we have to coddle every person who cannot grasp reality.

Misty still having his ass upset. But in all actuality wasn't Chris on the call list after they changed the theme? I mean he fits the theme perfectly for the leak.

Bye. Didn't Gio try to blast BMP, and say he didnt care about being on the show. So far Ammo hasn't been a disappointment. I wouldnt be surprised if Gio got on a flopped, but we'll never know because I highly doubt that they will ever cast him. 

Sex - either of the two main categories (male and female) into which humans and many other living things are divided on the basis of their reproductive functions.

Gender - the state of being male or female (typically used with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones).

 

There is a difference. Side note: Ammo has already proven useful to create dialogue by just appearing. Kudos for him.

Sex - either of the two main categories (male and female) into which humans and many other living things are divided on the basis of their reproductive functions.Gender - the state of being male or female (typically used with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones). There is a difference. Side note: Ammo has already proven useful to create dialogue by just appearing. Kudos for him.

Debatable but I'll leave it at that.

richjoe92 wrote:

Sex - either of the two main categories (male and female) into which humans and many other living things are divided on the basis of their reproductive functions.Gender - the state of being male or female (typically used with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones). There is a difference. Side note: Ammo has already proven useful to create dialogue by just appearing. Kudos for him.

Debatable but I'll leave it at that.

Fair enough. I myself am still learning to understand exactly the non-binary "labels" or "genders" that are out there. SOme I find more absurd than others. My teammate, FTM, is helping me make sense of it.

Sex - either of the two main categories (male and female) into which humans and many other living things are divided on the basis of their reproductive functions.Gender - the state of being male or female (typically used with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones). There is a difference. Side note: Ammo has already proven useful to create dialogue by just appearing. Kudos for him.

Deeper is not wrong, Kolle is not wrong, Audrey is not wrong... we all have opinions

However, for purposes of the challenge since the males compete against males and females compete against females - there must be a distinction otherwise a female identifying Corey, Leroy & Bananas would demolish the little females. Even though Ammo is a stick chick, he still has more testosterone, upper body strength and things that are inherently male.
Laurel, Preston... those are exceptions not the rule....  Don't kill the messenger.

Him competing on the female side would be... well let me just say "No." instead of saying one wrong thing lol

Him competing on the female side would be... well let me just say "No." instead of saying one wrong thing lol

 

Him competing on the female side would be... well let me just say "No." instead of saying one wrong thing lol

Right? Lmaooooo. 

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