The Challenge: Our Hopes For The Future (Spoilers)

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They gotta get out of this theme shit. This show is not made for that and there's only so much they can do as far as themes.

JL81790 wrote:

I think that, for the sake of the show's longevity, what needs to happen next season is an all-rookies challenge. As in, if you've done more than two shows at that point, you aren't on it. As much as I am a fan of Johnny, they've chained themselves to him, and Wes, and CT, and it will come back to bite them. Obviously this was the intent behind BOTS2, but they botched that in two ways that need to be fixed.1.) The format. Having a season that requires 4 people from a single season to say yes in order for them to be on is stupid and even more limiting than Exes and Rivals because you can't stretch things. People saying no, or one person fucking something up is what led us to not seeing Cooke, Kellyanne, Isaac, Frank R returning, the DC kids, and probably others that we're not aware of. What if they try to do a Skeletons season and can't get Jason or Bruno to say yes? That means another challenge without Sylvia and Violetta who, like them or not, would probably be entertaining characters. If they do new, they should do a Cutthroat or a Good vs Bad so that they can actually pick the 20-25 most interesting people. And hell, if they really want to (and to keep Johnny quiet), do a heavy hitters and bring out a few vets (Johnny, Abe, Aneesa, Laurel, whatever) for an elimination.2.) The edit on Seasons 2 was horrible. If you were trying to get the audience to take to new people, you have to make us like them. People like JEK and Wes were not given bad guy edits on their first season (Wes less so, but not badly), so they grew a fanbase. Once they had the fanbase we got Island Johnny or Ruins Kenny/Evan or Fresh Meat 2 Wes to call villains or whatever. By giving Frank an Island Johnny Bananas edit it made people not like him and wish for the Vets back. Same with Zach, Knight, etc. We shouldn't be rooting for all the old people to come back and squash them because they were so unbearable, which is what happened for most people on Seasons.If they do that, THEN follow it up with a Ruin style Rookies/Vets, they'd be fine and it would probably go a long way to starting to phase out the older vets.  

this completely!  I'd be fine with another battle of the seasons but people fail to realize just how limiting it really is. A better example would be Portland,  Jordan is done so it would all depend on Marlon,  what if the timing is wrong for him? Then there's no Averey and no Nia. 

Noone said it wasn't limiting. It's just another format people want to see.

The Challenge: Brains vs Brawn vs. Beauty

 

set it up!

The Challenge: Brains vs Brawn vs. Beauty set it up!

Eh. Another season of Sarah, so no lol 

But you guys don't get that Cutthroat isn't a theme and Good vs. Bad is wayyyy to bias. Like it could work but wouldn't the GG teams be kinda boring and all nice and stuff? Lol 

I'm well aware that Cutthroat isn't a theme. It's a format...which is why it's better. "Theming" a challenge immediately removes people from the equation or else forces them to stretch in ways that fans of the series know are bullshit. The Duel, Free Agents, Cutthroat, and even  Bloodlines were smart because they were just able to pick who they wanted and go by who said yes and not tie someone's ability to come on the show to another person, or in the case of Battle of the Seasons, THREE other people.

And Inferno style would be no more biased than any other format. They could cherry pick any nice or asshole moment that anyone had. If you remember the Inferno 3 the Good Guys were a bigger pack of assholes than the Bad Asses were. 

Honestly, I just really want them to stop letting AYTO people on this show. The fact that they are taking the place of potential people from new RW seasons is really fucking annoying. And while I enjoyed Bloodlines as a whole, I don't need to see the relatives again after that. Rivals 3 is truly the most awful group of cast members assembled for a challenge. I don't even care if I end up liking or rooting for any of these AYTO people, at the end of the season I will still never want to see them back. And they need another team challenge. Part of what made Bloodlines more enjoyable was the few episodes where they were in separate teams. I cannot take another pair challenge. At some point it'll be Battle of the Exes 3 and they'll find a way to pair Bananas with the fucking dog from Portland and call it a day. But I'd rather see Daisy than many of the people we do see tbh.

That's what bothers me the most and the main reason why I don't want them on the show...They take away spots from actual castmembers.

badladjj wrote:

But you guys don't get that Cutthroat isn't a theme and Good vs. Bad is wayyyy to bias. Like it could work but wouldn't the GG teams be kinda boring and all nice and stuff? Lol 

I'm well aware that Cutthroat isn't a team. It's a format...which is why it's better. "Theming" a challenge immediately removes people from the equation or else forces them to stretch in ways that fans of the series know are bullshit. The Duel, Free Agents, Cutthroat, and even  Bloodlines were smart because they were just able to pick who they wanted and go by who said yes and not tie someone's ability to come on the show to another person, or in the case of Battle of the Seasons, THREE other people.And Inferno style would be no more biased than any other format. They could cherry pick any nice or asshole moment that anyone had. If you remember the Inferno 3 the Good Guys were a bigger pack of assholes than the Bad Asses were. 

Lol how? 

gamer73 wrote:

Semisweet wrote:I want Jonna to have a "what's good?" moment with Jenna

Jenna was sweet to Jonna and I think they're friends.

Nah she thought it was amusing when "her man" was a shit to Jonna... wonder how that shoe feels on the other foot.  

Idk what show you watched but Jenna never thought it was amusing. She was just oblivious to how Zach treated women IMO. I think she thought she would be different and what they had was real just as Jonna thought and just as Ashlee thought. Didn't mean she thought Zach's behavior toward Jonna was hilarious by any means...Jenna/Jonna always got along and were friends. They were roommates and hung out in LA several times with Nany and Brittany.

JL81790 wrote:

badladjj wrote:But you guys don't get that Cutthroat isn't a theme and Good vs. Bad is wayyyy to bias. Like it could work but wouldn't the GG teams be kinda boring and all nice and stuff? Lol 

I'm well aware that Cutthroat isn't a team. It's a format...which is why it's better. "Theming" a challenge immediately removes people from the equation or else forces them to stretch in ways that fans of the series know are bullshit. The Duel, Free Agents, Cutthroat, and even  Bloodlines were smart because they were just able to pick who they wanted and go by who said yes and not tie someone's ability to come on the show to another person, or in the case of Battle of the Seasons, THREE other people.And Inferno style would be no more biased than any other format. They could cherry pick any nice or asshole moment that anyone had. If you remember the Inferno 3 the Good Guys were a bigger pack of assholes than the Bad Asses were. 

Lol how? 

Almost by default since the Bad Asses didn't really do anything...bad ass that season. But you had the Susie/Cara conniving to keep themselves there, Johnny and Alton "bullying" Colie. Most of the fighting that season was among the Good Guys...once CT left of course. (And I did like that team a lot...I don't mean it as a knock). 

The Challenge: Brains vs Brawn vs. Beauty set it up!

I can just imagine the casting stretches rn. The brains team would be severely lacking lmao.

At this point I feel like they should just worry about getting good casting choices and think about themes/ or formats later because it just fucks up the creativity that can potentially happen when you put a theme ahead of a cast.

I'd say a white collar blue collar no collar but there wouldn't be enough white collars. 

badladjj wrote:

But you guys don't get that Cutthroat isn't a theme and Good vs. Bad is wayyyy to bias. Like it could work but wouldn't the GG teams be kinda boring and all nice and stuff? Lol 

I'm well aware that Cutthroat isn't a team. It's a format...which is why it's better. "Theming" a challenge immediately removes people from the equation or else forces them to stretch in ways that fans of the series know are bullshit. The Duel, Free Agents, Cutthroat, and even  Bloodlines were smart because they were just able to pick who they wanted and go by who said yes and not tie someone's ability to come on the show to another person, or in the case of Battle of the Seasons, THREE other people.And Inferno style would be no more biased than any other format. They could cherry pick any nice or asshole moment that anyone had. If you remember the Inferno 3 the Good Guys were a bigger pack of assholes than the Bad Asses were. 

All shows do themes now. Because it's promotable and makes people want to watch. Unlike a format. Soooo that's not changing. Like I get what you are saying but no. 

infamous wrote:

The Challenge: Brains vs Brawn vs. Beauty set it up!

I can just imagine the casting stretches rn. The brains team would be severely lacking lmao.

I'd say a white collar blue collar no collar but there wouldn't be enough white collars. 

I'm good lool.

Devin and Devyn for Brains.

And it'd be interesting to have both Bananas and Wes on Brains together. Even though I'm fucking sick of the former...

I think that, for the sake of the show's longevity, what needs to happen next season is an all-rookies challenge. As in, if you've done more than two shows at that point, you aren't on it. As much as I am a fan of Johnny, they've chained themselves to him, and Wes, and CT, and it will come back to bite them. Obviously this was the intent behind BOTS2, but they botched that in two ways that need to be fixed.1.) The format. Having a season that requires 4 people from a single season to say yes in order for them to be on is stupid and even more limiting than Exes and Rivals because you can't stretch things. People saying no, or one person fucking something up is what led us to not seeing Cooke, Kellyanne, Isaac, Frank R returning, the DC kids, and probably others that we're not aware of. What if they try to do a Skeletons season and can't get Jason or Bruno to say yes? That means another challenge without Sylvia and Violetta who, like them or not, would probably be entertaining characters. If they do new, they should do a Cutthroat or a Good vs Bad so that they can actually pick the 20-25 most interesting people. And hell, if they really want to (and to keep Johnny quiet), do a heavy hitters and bring out a few vets (Johnny, Abe, Aneesa, Laurel, whatever) for an elimination.2.) The edit on Seasons 2 was horrible. If you were trying to get the audience to take to new people, you have to make us like them. People like JEK and Wes were not given bad guy edits on their first season (Wes less so, but not badly), so they grew a fanbase. Once they had the fanbase we got Island Johnny or Ruins Kenny/Evan or Fresh Meat 2 Wes to call villains or whatever. By giving Frank an Island Johnny Bananas edit it made people not like him and wish for the Vets back. Same with Zach, Knight, etc. We shouldn't be rooting for all the old people to come back and squash them because they were so unbearable, which is what happened for most people on Seasons.If they do that, THEN follow it up with a Ruin style Rookies/Vets, they'd be fine and it would probably go a long way to starting to phase out the older vets.  

I'm all for this.

I think that, for the sake of the show's longevity, what needs to happen next season is an all-rookies challenge. As in, if you've done more than two shows at that point, you aren't on it. As much as I am a fan of Johnny, they've chained themselves to him, and Wes, and CT, and it will come back to bite them. Obviously this was the intent behind BOTS2, but they botched that in two ways that need to be fixed.1.) The format. Having a season that requires 4 people from a single season to say yes in order for them to be on is stupid and even more limiting than Exes and Rivals because you can't stretch things. People saying no, or one person fucking something up is what led us to not seeing Cooke, Kellyanne, Isaac, Frank R returning, the DC kids, and probably others that we're not aware of. What if they try to do a Skeletons season and can't get Jason or Bruno to say yes? That means another challenge without Sylvia and Violetta who, like them or not, would probably be entertaining characters. If they do new, they should do a Cutthroat or a Good vs Bad so that they can actually pick the 20-25 most interesting people. And hell, if they really want to (and to keep Johnny quiet), do a heavy hitters and bring out a few vets (Johnny, Abe, Aneesa, Laurel, whatever) for an elimination.2.) The edit on Seasons 2 was horrible. If you were trying to get the audience to take to new people, you have to make us like them. People like JEK and Wes were not given bad guy edits on their first season (Wes less so, but not badly), so they grew a fanbase. Once they had the fanbase we got Island Johnny or Ruins Kenny/Evan or Fresh Meat 2 Wes to call villains or whatever. By giving Frank an Island Johnny Bananas edit it made people not like him and wish for the Vets back. Same with Zach, Knight, etc. We shouldn't be rooting for all the old people to come back and squash them because they were so unbearable, which is what happened for most people on Seasons.If they do that, THEN follow it up with a Ruin style Rookies/Vets, they'd be fine and it would probably go a long way to starting to phase out the older vets.  

I'd like to know if any of the D.C. kids would do a Challenge.

JL81790 wrote:

badladjj wrote:But you guys don't get that Cutthroat isn't a theme and Good vs. Bad is wayyyy to bias. Like it could work but wouldn't the GG teams be kinda boring and all nice and stuff? Lol 

I'm well aware that Cutthroat isn't a team. It's a format...which is why it's better. "Theming" a challenge immediately removes people from the equation or else forces them to stretch in ways that fans of the series know are bullshit. The Duel, Free Agents, Cutthroat, and even  Bloodlines were smart because they were just able to pick who they wanted and go by who said yes and not tie someone's ability to come on the show to another person, or in the case of Battle of the Seasons, THREE other people.And Inferno style would be no more biased than any other format. They could cherry pick any nice or asshole moment that anyone had. If you remember the Inferno 3 the Good Guys were a bigger pack of assholes than the Bad Asses were. 

All shows do themes now. Because it's promotable and makes people want to watch. Unlike a format. Soooo that's not changing. Like I get what you are saying but no. 

Personally, I'd rather watch a stacked cast without a theme than pairs who are just there to fill spots within the theme so that the three to five interesting pairs can happen. If the cast is filled with interesting people they can promote around those people and the moments they have on the show instead of the fake beefs between exes and rivals, 90% of which are resolved by the end of the first episode. 

And clearly, judging by the ratings of Bloodlines & what is likely to be the ratings for the new trash season, themes don't bring in the numbers like that. That's why IMO they have nothing to lose by trying older, non-limiting formats or new non-limiting formats. Ratings will be "bad" regardless.

And clearly, judging by the ratings of Bloodlines & what is likely to be the ratings for the new trash season, themes don't bring in the numbers like that. That's why IMO they have nothing to lose by trying older, non-limiting formats or new non-limiting formats. Ratings will be "bad" regardless.

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Why do I have feeling that next season of the real world will be an Ex-Plosion 2. Which is fine if they trying to do an Exes 3 in the future because what we have so far is not gonna cut it. Many people are not trying to work with there ex unless they hungry to get on the show. Many people have moved on. I think next season should be Seasons 2 or an updated Rookies vs. Veterans but Seasons 2 would be best. Has a lot of potential. 

Based on some casting stuff I have seen, I think the theme its obvious. Unless they change it, I dont think it will be explosion 2 but we will see.

And clearly, judging by the ratings of Bloodlines & what is likely to be the ratings for the new trash season, themes don't bring in the numbers like that. That's why IMO they have nothing to lose by trying older, non-limiting formats or new non-limiting formats. Ratings will be "bad" regardless.

And on top of that people are going to watch regardless. Fans of this show will watch ANYTHING this show throws at them. This crappy season is clear proof of that.

badladjj wrote:

Why do I have feeling that next season of the real world will be an Ex-Plosion 2. Which is fine if they trying to do an Exes 3 in the future because what we have so far is not gonna cut it. Many people are not trying to work with there ex unless they hungry to get on the show. Many people have moved on. I think next season should be Seasons 2 or an updated Rookies vs. Veterans but Seasons 2 would be best. Has a lot of potential. 

Based on some casting stuff I have seen, I think the theme its obvious. Unless they change it, I dont think it will be explosion 2 but we will see.

What do you think it'll be? LGBT?

PinkRose wrote:

badladjj wrote:Why do I have feeling that next season of the real world will be an Ex-Plosion 2. Which is fine if they trying to do an Exes 3 in the future because what we have so far is not gonna cut it. Many people are not trying to work with there ex unless they hungry to get on the show. Many people have moved on. I think next season should be Seasons 2 or an updated Rookies vs. Veterans but Seasons 2 would be best. Has a lot of potential. 

Based on some casting stuff I have seen, I think the theme its obvious. Unless they change it, I dont think it will be explosion 2 but we will see.

What do you think it'll be? LGBT?

I have major doubts in the LGBT, something else.

Once they start filming it probably will be more obvious assumming its actually what we think it can be

PR do you know when filming starts? It's near future?

Didn't feel like looking for the Generic Thread so i'll just post it here lol

I'm so confused at MTV/BMP's whole thought process when it comes to RW & The Challenge in particular...like with the special that aired tonight, who from this new crop of viewers knows who Pam & Judd are? They haven't bene on Reality TV for over 20 years (aside from specials from time to time) but somehow according to MTV/BMP people don't remember the older Challenge vets?

Even with Danny & Melinda; they would have you believe no one remembers them when it comes to The Challenge, yet viewers will somehow remember them when they appear on a random RW special?

I'm lost....

Didn't feel like looking for the Generic Thread so i'll just post it here lolI'm so confused at MTV/BMP's whole thought process when it comes to RW & The Challenge in particular...like with the special that aired tonight, who from this new crop of viewers knows who Pam & Judd are? They haven't bene on Reality TV for over 20 years (aside from specials from time to time) but somehow according to MTV/BMP people don't remember the older Challenge vets?Even with Danny & Melinda; they would have you believe no one remembers them when it comes to The Challenge, yet viewers will somehow remember them when they appear on a random RW special?I'm lost....

I love your new avatar first off.

Secondly I think people still remember Danny and Melinda given that those two were recently on Battle of the Seasons and on top of that their RW season  is one of the most popular(for some reason). With Judd/Pam I think they were one of the first RW couples(correct me if I'm wrong) and Pedro was also one of the most Iconic figures of this francise overall so despite it being surprising of their inclusion it was fitting.

Didn't feel like looking for the Generic Thread so i'll just post it here lolI'm so confused at MTV/BMP's whole thought process when it comes to RW & The Challenge in particular...like with the special that aired tonight, who from this new crop of viewers knows who Pam & Judd are? They haven't bene on Reality TV for over 20 years (aside from specials from time to time) but somehow according to MTV/BMP people don't remember the older Challenge vets?Even with Danny & Melinda; they would have you believe no one remembers them when it comes to The Challenge, yet viewers will somehow remember them when they appear on a random RW special?I'm lost....

Totally different scenarios if you ask me. 

Its when its beneficial to them lol They are doing an special about "Love in the real world" , so having the only couple that met on The Real World (Not Challenge) and it's still married after so many years with kids is smart for them to have on the special and it makes sense.  Viewers got the point that production was trying to put accross that they met on the show decades ago and are happily married until this day, they dont need to know them.

As far as Danny/Melinda I have never really watch their season, but have heard about their "love" story and that it was big back then even winning the favorite couple award on the real world award bash. Plus, one of the only ones that got married even though it ended in a divorce. So they also make sense , they both were on seasons not to long ago srill are fresh and BMP try really hard to get them to agree to do either exes. So it make sense that they atleast had Melinda to do it.

Graphik wrote:

Didn't feel like looking for the Generic Thread so i'll just post it here lolI'm so confused at MTV/BMP's whole thought process when it comes to RW & The Challenge in particular...like with the special that aired tonight, who from this new crop of viewers knows who Pam & Judd are? They haven't bene on Reality TV for over 20 years (aside from specials from time to time) but somehow according to MTV/BMP people don't remember the older Challenge vets?Even with Danny & Melinda; they would have you believe no one remembers them when it comes to The Challenge, yet viewers will somehow remember them when they appear on a random RW special?I'm lost....

I love your new avatar first off.Secondly I think people still remember Danny and Melinda given that those two were recently on Battle of the Seasons and on top of that their RW season  is one of the most popular(for some reason). With Judd/Pam I think they were one of the first RW couples(correct me if I'm wrong) and Pedro was also one of the most Iconic figures of this francise overall so despite it being surprising of their inclusion it was fitting.

I guess a better way to word it would be why do they not have any issues with incorporating all eras of RW, but won't do the same for The Challenge?

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