The Challenge: Favorite Things

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I'm not reading all these walls of text.

But, as much as I lover her, you can not include Marie in the "shined on Seasons 2 and went on to do multiple seasons where they shined against vets as well" group. 

DA, I understand why you liked Seasons.  I do but there's a reasons we'll never see another season with that type of cast.  Honestly, you should be loving this set-up even knowing the champions are coming because it's allowing exactly what you want.  Them to get screen time to make their presence known. 

Even in this era veterans shouldn't prevent rookies from shining.  Jonna, Jasmine & Leroy were all very relevent on Rivals.  Dustin & Heather could have been relevant on Exes if Dustin wasn't an idiot and injured himself.  The list goes on and on.

The reality is that those you claim "shined" on Seasons haven't won a challenge since.  On Cara, Sarah & Wes have won that appeared on that season.  Hate to tell you but they were all established long before.

The fact you seem to be indicating that you don't want any veterans is ridiculous.  People like Jenna have already done as many as legends like Landon.  We need a mix...that will drastically help with ratings.  And, yes, the tease of CT and others is the main reason the rating were solid.

mixed cast with new faces and old is always the way to go. 

mixed cast with new faces and old is always the way to go. 

While I agree with DA on the fresh vibe i think that Kvm is right. You can't have a season with only rookies it doesnt work that way and it never worked before, even during the older era you had some "vets" or people that were on the challenge for a second time in the mix. You can't expect seasons with the majority of new people to have good ratings because people connect with their favs and if they see a bunch of new faces (which the casuals think that they are cocky and annoying) it will turn them off. As it was said before and i share the same opinion we need a mix of new blood and old blood. Only then the newbies will be accepted. Since you seem to watch wrestling DA let me put you that way imagine a WWE roster without John Cena, Orton, AJ Styles, Chris Jericho and all the big dogs it simply doesn't work. You need someone with high impact to "Pass the torch" onto the younger fellas. I'm digging this Invasion thing but the champs are needed. I just don't agree with the set of champs nor do i agree that they join later. They should've come on the second part of the 2 hour premiere to keep people invested or they should've come in the end. They are already champs but the format is already giving them levarage for skipping the first challenges/eliminations which IMO isn't fair.

Okay The wrestling analogy doesn't work because WWE can go on without John Cena and Chris Jericho and that's been proven as those 2 have left in the past and WWE kept right on so it absolutley does work. And as far as AJ Styles...He's been in WWE for only a year. He just got started so he doesn't count. And if Orton left WWE will keep on trucking along as well.

Furthermore there is a difference between someone who's only been on one other challenges and someone who's done 15 fucking shows. How is the torch supposed to be passed when the people holding the damn torch won't leave? And even when the people whom the torch is supposed to be passed to sproved that they're good enough they still don't get the ball? 

And honesty when has the torch been passed? Nobody passed shit. When FM/Austin/Key West came in people from the golden era started leaving on their own terms so no torch was passed. Same with the Seasons 2 crowd. Despite alot of them moving on or getting banned there's still Backpack and Wes. They need to be phased out because they had their time and they can't do these shows forever.

We're just going to have to agree to disagree on this. I don't think champs/old-schoolers/vets are needed y'all do. Noone's changing their mind so it's whatever.

Maybe it's because I'm not so attached to the old-schoolers and don't dismiss something because it's new and am tired of vets but whatever.

xHollyangel wrote:

While I agree with DA on the fresh vibe i think that Kvm is right. You can't have a season with only rookies it doesnt work that way and it never worked before, even during the older era you had some "vets" or people that were on the challenge for a second time in the mix. You can't expect seasons with the majority of new people to have good ratings because people connect with their favs and if they see a bunch of new faces (which the casuals think that they are cocky and annoying) it will turn them off. As it was said before and i share the same opinion we need a mix of new blood and old blood. Only then the newbies will be accepted. Since you seem to watch wrestling DA let me put you that way imagine a WWE roster without John Cena, Orton, AJ Styles, Chris Jericho and all the big dogs it simply doesn't work. You need someone with high impact to "Pass the torch" onto the younger fellas. I'm digging this Invasion thing but the champs are needed. I just don't agree with the set of champs nor do i agree that they join later. They should've come on the second part of the 2 hour premiere to keep people invested or they should've come in the end. They are already champs but the format is already giving them levarage for skipping the first challenges/eliminations which IMO isn't fair.

Okay The wrestling analogy doesn't work because WWE can go on without John Cena and Chris Jericho and that's been proven as those 2 have left in the past and WWE kept right on so it absolutley does work. And as far as AJ Styles...He's been in WWE for only a year. He just got started so he doesn't count. And if Orton left WWE will keep on trucking along as well.Furthermore there is a difference between someone who's only been on one other challenges and someone who's done 15 fucking shows. How is the torch supposed to be passed when the people holding the damn torch won't leave? And even when the people whom the torch is supposed to be passed to sproved that they're good enough they still don't get the ball? And honesty when has the torch been passed? Nobody passed shit. When FM/Austin/Key West came in people from the golden era started leaving on their own terms so no torch was passed. Same with the Seasons 2 crowd. Despite alot of them moving on or getting banned there's still Backpack and Wes. They need to be phased out because they had their time and they can't do these shows forever.

My wrestling point was about ratings and starpower you clearly never understood that. The Rock and Austin for example leaving WWF/WWE left them with a huge hole that they never managed to fill. My point was that veterans are necessary to keep the ratings and older fans. You are right about the torch but it would easily be solved if the producers pushed more new faces to become "regulars" to the point that they dont need John, CT or Wes. The fact is none of this new people have arised to expectations and the only ones who had that in them only did 2 or 3 and left (Frank and Jordan were the only ones with that starpower) but other then them the new people are weak and sheep. 

It was forcily passed, the new generation at the time (FM/Austin/Key west) took it from the golden era and even then they teamed up with older schoolers such as Abram, Derrick, Darrell,etc to become the new "top dogs" and their equals. These new people are lackluster competition wise and thats why Johnny keeps coming back. Because he knows the cast is weaker than when he started and nobody will defy him except other vets. Just look at Invasion where they think freaking Jenna is the beast on the women's side.

let me ask you this HollyAngel..

What's gonna happen when all those vets retire? What hook are they gonna have in order to keep those ratings and older fans? I hope you don't think the vets are gonna be around forever.. I mean CT has a kid now so we won't be seeing him much if at all, Wes did say that he had one more in him..but he did say that he wants to keep doing them so who knows with him. And Backpack can't do these forever and on top of that he's running out of themes he can fit...

And as far as WWE..Yes Rock and Austin leaving hurt them but guess what? They made a new star with John Cena and he had the ball for years. They're only now starting to phase him out when they should've did that years ago. But word on the street is they don't want new stars so...

And you're right that they're sheep but weak? Nope. Cory/Tony/Hunter(as much as I don't like him)/Nelson/Amanda(Despite her being trash)/Ashley M all have proven to be good-decent competitiors.

WWE was never the same after both of them left, not even with Cena. Anyways cmon man you just mention two guys (Cory and Tony) who become instant sheep when the big dogs arrive. Tony is a Backpack lackey and Cory is okay but he still can't hang with those guys. Nelson I haven't too much of him but he doesn't seem to dominate daily challenges. From those you've mentioned Ashley M is the only one who has that potential. Hunter is a brainless type of jock which is JEK favorite type of people to manipulate. 

Just face it Jordan, Frank and maybe Zach witout his gassed out moments are the only ones who came to the level of being top dogs by playing the game. Cory has flopped before while trying to play politics. Tony is just starting and the rest is meh. But lets just agree to disagree. I'll give you one thing when both of them are gone they will start to push people but I don't know if the challenge will last long enough after they are gone. Johnny has probably more 4 or 5 of these in his legs . Wes and CT will be gone first but with Johnny I don't know.

WWE was never the same after both of them left, not even with Cena. Anyways cmon man you just mention two guys (Cory and Tony) who become instant sheep when the big dogs arrive. Tony is a Backpack lackey and Cory is okay but he still can't hang with those guys. Nelson I haven't too much of him but he doesn't seem to dominate daily challenges. From those you've mentioned Ashley M is the only one who has that potential. Hunter is a brainless type of jock which is JEK favorite type of people to manipulate. Just face it Jordan, Frank and maybe Zach witout his gassed out moments are the only ones who came to the level of being top dogs by playing the game. Cory has flopped before while trying to play politics. Tony is just starting and the rest is meh. But lets just agree to disagree. I'll give you one thing when both of them are gone they will start to push people but I don't know if the challenge will last long enough after they are gone. Johnny has probably more 4 or 5 of these in his legs . Wes and CT will be gone first but with Johnny I don't know.

But to be fair though. Cory only flopped with politics becaue of Dario on Rivals 3 and he's done a decent job so far on Invasion. I don't remember him being that bad on Bloodlines either.

Not saying he's a mastemind but he's not a complete dumbass in terms of poilitics.

And I think Tony can be a good competitor. He did well with Camilla on Rivals 3 when they weren't screaming at each other. I just think he needs to focus on the game and do what's best for him and I think he'll be good.

But yeah..you're right in that WWE wasn't the same but it didn't lose anything though..it got better honestly. 

HUNTER

Look. I know I kinda wrote him off in The Burn Book but I kinda had a wierd Change of Heart? Like I dunno what it is but I kinda sorta like him now? He was a good competitor for the most part on Invasion and He does have angers issues but I do think it's funny when he lashes out. I feel like he'll be back on the show at some point though.

ROBBIE

Going into Bad Blood I thought Robbie would be Jay 2.0 but surprsingly he wasn't. He was cool, positive force in the season that was Bad Blood.

Robbie got off to a rocky start having drama with Mike which was cringeworthy as fuck. But slowly but surely he became more positive and willing to be a friend and help his roomates any way he can. He handled the Jenn situation perfectly. He pretty much just gave Jenn the closure that she needed and that was that(Although I will say he should've steped in a bit more when Peter was acting a fool). He remained drama free and just wanted everyone to be a family. I remember him confronting the stank sisters on why they didn't hang with the rest of the housemates( I would've said fuck'em if I was him tbh). Also his mother going off on him on the phone for trying to cook was halarious. I also liked how he was the last one to leave the house. I also forgot to mention this but when the whole Theo was having a hard time with Kassisus in the house Robbie was right there, giving him advice and being a freind.

I short I like Robbie and he was one of the more tolerable people of Bad Blood. I do hope we see him on a Challenge at some point.

Robbie is Jay 2.0 in my opinion

SHANE(CAMPUS CRAWL)

I never disliked Shane but he was never really one of my favorites back in the day. The reason he's on this thread is the AMAZING comeback he's had. He's everything that The Challenge is missing..He's dynamic, smart, actually played the game in so many ways, and was kinda funny at times as well. His reunion with Darrell was a great sight to behold as I like seeing people who were castmembers on the same show interact. He made allies with Ashley, Amdanda, and several others. He also competed well which to me wasn't suprising and he was never a bad competitor back in the day. Shit, he almost made it to the end on his first challenge and he almost made it to the end on Ivasion as well. Kinda sad to see him leave but not really as my boy Cory made it to the end and I value him more than Shane at the end of the day. But that doesn't erase that he had a damn good comeback and honestly. The Challenge needs more people like him.

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