The Challenge: Burn Book (Spoilers)

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LEROY.

I don't hate Leroy like I do Camilla, Backpack etc. I feel like he's been a huge disapointment. On his RW season Leroy was the man. He was real, spoke his mind, and didn't really hold his tounge when it came to the whole Adam situation. It seemed like he didn't put up with bullshit and will call shit out like he saw it. Not to mention his friendship with Mike, and his Naomi episode and on top of that he was built as fuck? No brainer for The Challenge. Then when he actually got on there he did..nothing. I mean he comepted well but he basically stayed in the background and became friends with JEK(Ew), he had a little stiff with Tyler towards the end i guess but for the most part he was just there. Him just being there and taking up space would be a constant thing with him. In addition to that just not really giving a fuck to win. That changed on Battle of the Exes 2 when he was forced out of Backpack's asshole he had to play the game...only to go back into his ass when he came back(and then got fucked because of it). These past 2 shows he got Dq'ed from the game but we all know he'll be back to his do-nothing status on the next show, and that's the problem with him..he does nothing to help himself in the game. I mean he's in cahoots with the best guy on an given challenge(Backpack) and he knows he'll look out for him but he's not afraid to throw him under the bus first. Why not cut his throat first? Why not make other allies on the side? Why not build you own aremy of minions so that you won't even need Backpack? Why not take him out of the game completly? He should be running shit in the game now, He should've gotten a win by now.  And then not to mention that he's not the best character..I mean he's a good guy and on this show that counts for something but that's it really. He doesn't stand out like he did on RW and that's a damn shame.

Leroy is such a dissapointment because he could be(and should be) so much more that what he is(you can also say the same thing about this show as a while but that's for another entry) One day I hope he starts bringing shit to the table but I doubt he will.

Bring on Jason/Marlon/Dean Please.

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LEROY.I don't hate Leroy like I do Camilla, Backpack etc. I feel like he's been a huge disapointment. On his RW season Leroy was the man. He was real, spoke his mind, and didn't really hold his tounge when it came to the whole Adam situation. It seemed like he didn't put up with bullshit and will call shit out like he saw it. Not to mention his friendship with Mike, and his Naomi episode and on top of that he was built as fuck? No brainer for The Challenge. Then when he actually got on there he did..nothing. I mean he comepted well but he basically stayed in the background and became friends with JEK(Ew), he had a little stiff with Tyler towards the end i guess but for the most part he was just there. Him just being there and taking up space would be a constant thing with him. In addition to that just not really giving a fuck to win. That changed on Battle of the Exes 2 when he was forced out of Backpack's asshole he had to play the game...only to go back into his ass when he came back(and then got fucked because of it). These past 2 shows he got Dq'ed from the game but we all know he'll be back to his do-nothing status on the next show, and that's the problem with him..he does nothing to help himself in the game. I mean he's in cahoots with the best guy on an given challenge(Backpack) and he knows he'll look out for him but he's not afraid to throw him under the bus first. Why not cut his throat first? Why not make other allies on the side? Why not build you own aremy of minions so that you won't even need Backpack? Why not take him out of the game completly? He should be running shit in the game now, He should've gotten a win by now.  And then not to mention that he's not the best character..I mean he's a good guy and on this show that counts for something but that's it really. He doesn't stand out like he did on RW and that's a damn shame.Leroy is such a dissapointment because he could be(and should be) so much more that what he is(you can also say the same thing about this show as a while but that's for another entry) One day I hope he starts bringing shit to the table but I doubt he will.Bring on Jason/Marlon/Dean Please.

i agree w: everything you said. I was a hugee leroy fan on his RW season. Seeing him in the promos is what got me watching RW again. It was nice to see a good looking chill ass black man and he was originally from where I live so he got me watching. I just knew he was gonna be on the challenges and was geeked af when he was on rivals. I rooted for him to win so bad. But as the seasons have gone on I just feel disappointed because he could've won by now. Its disappointing to be a fan of someone and see the potential & they just dont live up to it. I feel like he deserves a win, but not until' he starts playin the game again.

leroy good looking?

leroy good looking?

Nah. Butterface IMO.

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LEROY.I don't hate Leroy like I do Camilla, Backpack etc. I feel like he's been a huge disapointment. On his RW season Leroy was the man. He was real, spoke his mind, and didn't really hold his tounge when it came to the whole Adam situation. It seemed like he didn't put up with bullshit and will call shit out like he saw it. Not to mention his friendship with Mike, and his Naomi episode and on top of that he was built as fuck? No brainer for The Challenge. Then when he actually got on there he did..nothing. I mean he comepted well but he basically stayed in the background and became friends with JEK(Ew), he had a little stiff with Tyler towards the end i guess but for the most part he was just there. Him just being there and taking up space would be a constant thing with him. In addition to that just not really giving a fuck to win. That changed on Battle of the Exes 2 when he was forced out of Backpack's asshole he had to play the game...only to go back into his ass when he came back(and then got fucked because of it). These past 2 shows he got Dq'ed from the game but we all know he'll be back to his do-nothing status on the next show, and that's the problem with him..he does nothing to help himself in the game. I mean he's in cahoots with the best guy on an given challenge(Backpack) and he knows he'll look out for him but he's not afraid to throw him under the bus first. Why not cut his throat first? Why not make other allies on the side? Why not build you own aremy of minions so that you won't even need Backpack? Why not take him out of the game completly? He should be running shit in the game now, He should've gotten a win by now.  And then not to mention that he's not the best character..I mean he's a good guy and on this show that counts for something but that's it really. He doesn't stand out like he did on RW and that's a damn shame.Leroy is such a dissapointment because he could be(and should be) so much more that what he is(you can also say the same thing about this show as a while but that's for another entry) One day I hope he starts bringing shit to the table but I doubt he will.Bring on Jason/Marlon/Dean Please.

1. Leroy is the same guy he was on RW but now he's has more cast members who are clearly vying for camera time. He still stands he ground.

2. His whole friendship Bananas was overtime because they kept doing challenges together and he wasn't sweating him like Tony or his puppet like Anthony did. He sent Bananas and Tyler against CT & Adam on Rivals. Didn't have an alliance with with him on Exes or Rivals. On Free Agents he was playing a solo game in which Zach & CT pointed out when they won and were deciding between Leroy and Cohutta. Leroy wasn't voting in Brandon Nelson, Dustin, CT and Bananas that season because he knew those 4 the longest. He didn't have real alliances. He played solo that season. It wasn't until Exes 2 that he had an official alliance with Bananas.

Unlike all these new guys who jump at a chance to be in alliance withBananas: Reilly, Jordan, Anthony, Tony ( he's true lapdog. He fucken idolizes him) and now we will see with CORY.

THE Challenge is about to start...

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LEROY.I don't hate Leroy like I do Camilla, Backpack etc. I feel like he's been a huge disapointment. On his RW season Leroy was the man. He was real, spoke his mind, and didn't really hold his tounge when it came to the whole Adam situation. It seemed like he didn't put up with bullshit and will call shit out like he saw it. Not to mention his friendship with Mike, and his Naomi episode and on top of that he was built as fuck? No brainer for The Challenge. Then when he actually got on there he did..nothing. I mean he comepted well but he basically stayed in the background and became friends with JEK(Ew), he had a little stiff with Tyler towards the end i guess but for the most part he was just there. Him just being there and taking up space would be a constant thing with him. In addition to that just not really giving a fuck to win. That changed on Battle of the Exes 2 when he was forced out of Backpack's asshole he had to play the game...only to go back into his ass when he came back(and then got fucked because of it). These past 2 shows he got Dq'ed from the game but we all know he'll be back to his do-nothing status on the next show, and that's the problem with him..he does nothing to help himself in the game. I mean he's in cahoots with the best guy on an given challenge(Backpack) and he knows he'll look out for him but he's not afraid to throw him under the bus first. Why not cut his throat first? Why not make other allies on the side? Why not build you own aremy of minions so that you won't even need Backpack? Why not take him out of the game completly? He should be running shit in the game now, He should've gotten a win by now.  And then not to mention that he's not the best character..I mean he's a good guy and on this show that counts for something but that's it really. He doesn't stand out like he did on RW and that's a damn shame.Leroy is such a dissapointment because he could be(and should be) so much more that what he is(you can also say the same thing about this show as a while but that's for another entry) One day I hope he starts bringing shit to the table but I doubt he will.Bring on Jason/Marlon/Dean Please.

1. Leroy is the same guy he was on RW but now he's has more cast members who are clearly vying for camera time. He still stands he ground.2. His whole friendship Bananas was overtime because they kept doing challenges together and he wasn't sweating him like Tony or his puppet like Anthony did. He sent Bananas and Tyler against CT & Adam on Rivals. Didn't have an alliance with with him on Exes or Rivals. On Free Agents he was playing a solo game in which Zach & CT pointed out when they won and were deciding between Leroy and Cohutta. Leroy wasn't voting in Brandon Nelson, Dustin, CT and Bananas that season because he knew those 4 the longest. He didn't have real alliances. He played solo that season. It wasn't until Exes 2 that he had an official alliance with Bananas.Unlike all these new guys who jump at a chance to be in alliance withBananas: Reilly, Jordan, Anthony, Tony ( he's true lapdog. He fucken idolizes him) and now we will see with CORY.THE Challenge is about to start...

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v123 wrote:

leroy good looking?

Nah. Butterface IMO.

i think he's good looking *shrugs*

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LEROY.I don't hate Leroy like I do Camilla, Backpack etc. I feel like he's been a huge disapointment. On his RW season Leroy was the man. He was real, spoke his mind, and didn't really hold his tounge when it came to the whole Adam situation. It seemed like he didn't put up with bullshit and will call shit out like he saw it. Not to mention his friendship with Mike, and his Naomi episode and on top of that he was built as fuck? No brainer for The Challenge. Then when he actually got on there he did..nothing. I mean he comepted well but he basically stayed in the background and became friends with JEK(Ew), he had a little stiff with Tyler towards the end i guess but for the most part he was just there. Him just being there and taking up space would be a constant thing with him. In addition to that just not really giving a fuck to win. That changed on Battle of the Exes 2 when he was forced out of Backpack's asshole he had to play the game...only to go back into his ass when he came back(and then got fucked because of it). These past 2 shows he got Dq'ed from the game but we all know he'll be back to his do-nothing status on the next show, and that's the problem with him..he does nothing to help himself in the game. I mean he's in cahoots with the best guy on an given challenge(Backpack) and he knows he'll look out for him but he's not afraid to throw him under the bus first. Why not cut his throat first? Why not make other allies on the side? Why not build you own aremy of minions so that you won't even need Backpack? Why not take him out of the game completly? He should be running shit in the game now, He should've gotten a win by now.  And then not to mention that he's not the best character..I mean he's a good guy and on this show that counts for something but that's it really. He doesn't stand out like he did on RW and that's a damn shame.Leroy is such a dissapointment because he could be(and should be) so much more that what he is(you can also say the same thing about this show as a while but that's for another entry) One day I hope he starts bringing shit to the table but I doubt he will.Bring on Jason/Marlon/Dean Please.

This fucking post right here.....

 

I would like to see some evidence of when Leroy was up Bananas ass. Instead of it being constantly said. Besides Leroy not getting upset on Exes 2 when he got sent in against Wes and Bananas lost that daily mission. And don't say when he ended his alliance with Wes because we all know Wes is a shady ass. Had Leroy take out Zach, when Wes had an alliance with him.

Tom didn't get upset at Cory and nobody is claiming he's up Cory's ass.

I would like to see some evidence of when Leroy was up Bananas ass. Instead of it being constantly said. Besides Leroy not getting upset on Exes 2 when he got sent in against Wes and Bananas lost that daily mission. And don't say when he ended his alliance with Wes because we all know Wes is a shady ass. Had Leroy take out Zach, when Wes had an alliance with him.Tom didn't get upset at Cory and nobody is claiming he's up Cory's ass.

 EDIT: I'll give you one. In the Wrecking Ball Challenge Leroy Jumped off because Backpack was back and he automatically thought he was safe..only for him to jump off and bascially get Jordan/Sarah to throw him in. 

He didn't try to win when Backpack came back. He just assumed he was safe.

Thomas/Cory was different in that Thomas never threw a challenge on the assumption that Cory would keep him safe. Only reason he did it was because of Ashley had an issue with Simone(although he really should've put his foot down with her though). That's why Thomas was okay with it because he knew it had nothing to do with him. That's not being up his ass. Leroy however fucked his game he had because of Backpack..That is being up his ass. You don't just stop what you're doing because you're friend is back in the game. And that goes for anybody.

Smh

ThatCoralLover wrote:

I would like to see some evidence of when Leroy was up Bananas ass. Instead of it being constantly said. Besides Leroy not getting upset on Exes 2 when he got sent in against Wes and Bananas lost that daily mission. And don't say when he ended his alliance with Wes because we all know Wes is a shady ass. Had Leroy take out Zach, when Wes had an alliance with him.Tom didn't get upset at Cory and nobody is claiming he's up Cory's ass.

No. Because you're just going to dismiss it. 

Carry On.

LOL

Debut Album wrote:

ThatCoralLover wrote:I would like to see some evidence of when Leroy was up Bananas ass. Instead of it being constantly said. Besides Leroy not getting upset on Exes 2 when he got sent in against Wes and Bananas lost that daily mission. And don't say when he ended his alliance with Wes because we all know Wes is a shady ass. Had Leroy take out Zach, when Wes had an alliance with him.Tom didn't get upset at Cory and nobody is claiming he's up Cory's ass.

No. Because you're just going to dismiss it. Carry On.

LOL

I edited that shit too but it's the truth. He/she seems like one of those delusional stans. 

ThatCoralLover wrote:

I would like to see some evidence of when Leroy was up Bananas ass. Instead of it being constantly said. Besides Leroy not getting upset on Exes 2 when he got sent in against Wes and Bananas lost that daily mission. And don't say when he ended his alliance with Wes because we all know Wes is a shady ass. Had Leroy take out Zach, when Wes had an alliance with him.Tom didn't get upset at Cory and nobody is claiming he's up Cory's ass.

 EDIT: I'll give you one. In the Wrecking Ball Challenge Leroy Jumped off because Backpack was back and he automatically thought he was safe..only for him to jump off and bascially get Jordan/Sarah to throw him in. He didn't try to win when Backpack came back. He just assumed he was safe.Thomas/Cory was different in that Thomas never threw a challenge on the assumption that Cory would keep him safe. Only reason he did it was because of Ashley had an issue with Simone(although he really should've put his foot down with her though). That's why Thomas was okay with it because he knew it had nothing to do with him. That's not being up his ass. Leroy however fucked his game he had because of Backpack..That is being up his ass. You don't just stop what you're doing because you're friend is back in the game. And that goes for anybody.

That's the mission I was talking about. Doesn't that apply to Nia as well? She jumped off.

Yes, that was stupid of Leroy to do that. But I hardly think that qualifies being up someone ass. And if that's the case he should be up Jordan's ass too because Leroy thought he was safe with Jordan.

Debut Album wrote:

ThatCoralLover wrote:I would like to see some evidence of when Leroy was up Bananas ass. Instead of it being constantly said. Besides Leroy not getting upset on Exes 2 when he got sent in against Wes and Bananas lost that daily mission. And don't say when he ended his alliance with Wes because we all know Wes is a shady ass. Had Leroy take out Zach, when Wes had an alliance with him.Tom didn't get upset at Cory and nobody is claiming he's up Cory's ass.

 EDIT: I'll give you one. In the Wrecking Ball Challenge Leroy Jumped off because Backpack was back and he automatically thought he was safe..only for him to jump off and bascially get Jordan/Sarah to throw him in. He didn't try to win when Backpack came back. He just assumed he was safe.Thomas/Cory was different in that Thomas never threw a challenge on the assumption that Cory would keep him safe. Only reason he did it was because of Ashley had an issue with Simone(although he really should've put his foot down with her though). That's why Thomas was okay with it because he knew it had nothing to do with him. That's not being up his ass. Leroy however fucked his game he had because of Backpack..That is being up his ass. You don't just stop what you're doing because you're friend is back in the game. And that goes for anybody.

That's the mission I was talking about. Doesn't that apply to Nia as well? She jumped off.Yes, that was stupid of Leroy to do that. But I hardly think that qualifies being up someone ass. And if that's the case he should be up Jordan's ass too because Leroy thought he was safe with Jordan.

Well he was just stupid for thinking he was safe with Jordan..That's why you don't throw missions at that point and you don't trust ANYONE at that point. 

hardbitten wrote:

Debut Album wrote:

ThatCoralLover wrote:I would like to see some evidence of when Leroy was up Bananas ass. Instead of it being constantly said. Besides Leroy not getting upset on Exes 2 when he got sent in against Wes and Bananas lost that daily mission. And don't say when he ended his alliance with Wes because we all know Wes is a shady ass. Had Leroy take out Zach, when Wes had an alliance with him.Tom didn't get upset at Cory and nobody is claiming he's up Cory's ass.

No. Because you're just going to dismiss it. Carry On.

LOL

I edited that shit too but it's the truth. He/she seems like one of those delusional stans. 

Thought you were better than others who like taking personal jabs on these discussion boards ( except the ones who come for you).

All about discussing the Challenge.

Ending this conversation. Have a good night.

Debut Album wrote:

hardbitten wrote:

Debut Album wrote:
ThatCoralLover wrote:I would like to see some evidence of when Leroy was up Bananas ass. Instead of it being constantly said. Besides Leroy not getting upset on Exes 2 when he got sent in against Wes and Bananas lost that daily mission. And don't say when he ended his alliance with Wes because we all know Wes is a shady ass. Had Leroy take out Zach, when Wes had an alliance with him.Tom didn't get upset at Cory and nobody is claiming he's up Cory's ass.

No. Because you're just going to dismiss it. Carry On.

LOL

I edited that shit too but it's the truth. He/she seems like one of those delusional stans. 

Thought you were better than others who like taking personal jabs on these discussion boards ( except the ones who come for you).All about discussing the Challenge.Ending this conversation. Have a good night.

That's what he means.. 

Unless you were talking about me.. In which case, I take personal jabs at everyone.

hardbitten wrote:

Debut Album wrote:

ThatCoralLover wrote:I would like to see some evidence of when Leroy was up Bananas ass. Instead of it being constantly said. Besides Leroy not getting upset on Exes 2 when he got sent in against Wes and Bananas lost that daily mission. And don't say when he ended his alliance with Wes because we all know Wes is a shady ass. Had Leroy take out Zach, when Wes had an alliance with him.Tom didn't get upset at Cory and nobody is claiming he's up Cory's ass.

No. Because you're just going to dismiss it. Carry On.

LOL

I edited that shit too but it's the truth. He/she seems like one of those delusional stans. 

Nah, you weren't wrong.

This thread is great.  Any time you have a thread that legitimately talks about the aspects of the game, you have a good thread imo.  That being said I don't agree with everything and I'm still trying to figure out who this Camilla person is you hate so much.

Debut Album wrote:

hardbitten wrote:

Debut Album wrote:
ThatCoralLover wrote:I would like to see some evidence of when Leroy was up Bananas ass. Instead of it being constantly said. Besides Leroy not getting upset on Exes 2 when he got sent in against Wes and Bananas lost that daily mission. And don't say when he ended his alliance with Wes because we all know Wes is a shady ass. Had Leroy take out Zach, when Wes had an alliance with him.Tom didn't get upset at Cory and nobody is claiming he's up Cory's ass.

No. Because you're just going to dismiss it. Carry On.

LOL

I edited that shit too but it's the truth. He/she seems like one of those delusional stans. 

Thought you were better than others who like taking personal jabs on these discussion boards ( except the ones who come for you).All about discussing the Challenge.Ending this conversation. Have a good night.

Well I mean I didn't say that to be an asshole. That's litterally how you come off to me when it comes to Leroy.

Themes suck, partners suck, heights/water suck.

I thought The Ruins was great up until Wes and Veronica went home.  After that it was a cakewalk for JEK.  AYTO is awesome.  Camila and Leroy I don't have an issue with.

This thread is great.  Any time you have a thread that legitimately talks about the aspects of the game, you have a good thread imo.  That being said I don't agree with everything and I'm still trying to figure out who this Camilla person is you hate so much.

Thank you for the positive feedback.

I wasn't initally going to do this one but after last night's episode I think it's necessary.

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THE LACK OF SMART STRATEGIC GAMEPLAY.

Seriously. This is one of the biggest problems with this show now. Noone really thinks strategically or plays smart on this show. The Person in the pic above this is 1 out of 2 people that really does. 2 people out of any given seasons 28-30 person cast..That is fucking sad. All people do on this show is either 1. Stick with their friends not matter what, 2, plant themselves up Backpack's or Wes's ass and just hopes he doesn't turn on them(which he always does), thinking that that will get them to the end(which it never does), or thinking that it will get them on another season(which is stupid because it really doesn't matter if you kiss Backpack's or Wes ass or not..Production is only going to ask you of they want you). That's all the strategy you see on this show and it fucking sucks. Noone really makes moves to benefit thier spot on the game, noone takes out actual theats, They just allow the strongest people to run all over them and then they're sitting there wondering why they lost in the end. and if they do try to be strategic they usually end up making dumb moves for dumb reasons. Granted there has been seasons where there has been strategic gameplay but they're the exception and not the rule.

I kinda feel like alot of people whom are new come on this show as fans so they're just happy to be there and is so willing allign with eithe Backpack or Wes because they think that that's the key to victory when in reality that's the most surefire way to lose. They just see the badassery of CT or The cunningess of Wes or how much Backpack wins and are just happy to revel in that and don't really think about winning(even though they say they are) They'd rather take how the broze prize instead of the gold because hey...At least Backpack touched me/fucked me with his pink dildo!

But yeah..less Idiocy and more political savy players is what this show needs and it needs it badly.

 

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THE LACK OF SMART STRATEGIC GAMEPLAY.Seriously. This is one of the biggest problems with this show now. Noone really thinks strategically or plays smart on this show. The Person in the pic above this is 1 out of 2 people that really does. 2 people out of any given seasons 28-30 person cast..That is fucking sad. All people do on this show is either 1. Stick with their friends not matter what, 2, plant themselves up Backpack's or Wes's ass and just hopes he doesn't turn on them(which he always does), thinking that that will get them to the end(which it never does), or thinking that it will get them on another season(which is stupid because it really doesn't matter if you kiss Backpack's or Wes ass or not..Production is only going to ask you of they want you). That's all the strategy you see on this show and it fucking sucks. Noone really makes moves to benefit thier spot on the game, noone takes out actual theats, They just allow the strongest people to run all over them and then they're sitting there wondering why they lost in the end. and if they do try to be strategic they usually end up making dumb moves for dumb reasons. Granted there has been seasons where there has been strategic gameplay but they're the exception and not the rule.I kinda feel like alot of people whom are new come on this show as fans so they're just happy to be there and is so willing allign with eithe Backpack or Wes because they think that that's the key to victory when in reality that's the most surefire way to lose. They just see the badassery of CT or The cunningess of Wes or how much Backpack wins and are just happy to revel in that and don't really think about winning(even though they say they are) They'd rather take how the broze prize instead of the gold because hey...At least Backpack touched me/fucked me with his pink dildo!But yeah..let Idiocy and more political savy players is what this show needs and it needs it badly.The day people on this show as a whole

When people go after Bananas he ends up winning. Jordan on FA is a prime example. He failed and Bananas ended up winning the whole team. And the stupid thing about that is Jordan had a solid alliance. He could've made it to the end.

Wes is continuously going after Bananas but doesn't have a solid alliance. So he can never get far.

I don't know why Cory made alliances with both Wes and Bananas. Initially Cory could've honestly made his own alliance with Thomas and Dario being his main. And adding the others. 

Cory made a deal with Wes when Cory was in the power seat and Wes and Nany haven't performed well.

All these new regular guys are up Bananas ass: Tony, Dario and Cory

Devin is really the only sharp one. 

Debut Album wrote:

I wasn't initally going to do this one but after last night's episode I think it's necessary.Next Entry.

THE LACK OF SMART STRATEGIC GAMEPLAY.Seriously. This is one of the biggest problems with this show now. Noone really thinks strategically or plays smart on this show. The Person in the pic above this is 1 out of 2 people that really does. 2 people out of any given seasons 28-30 person cast..That is fucking sad. All people do on this show is either 1. Stick with their friends not matter what, 2, plant themselves up Backpack's or Wes's ass and just hopes he doesn't turn on them(which he always does), thinking that that will get them to the end(which it never does), or thinking that it will get them on another season(which is stupid because it really doesn't matter if you kiss Backpack's or Wes ass or not..Production is only going to ask you of they want you). That's all the strategy you see on this show and it fucking sucks. Noone really makes moves to benefit thier spot on the game, noone takes out actual theats, They just allow the strongest people to run all over them and then they're sitting there wondering why they lost in the end. and if they do try to be strategic they usually end up making dumb moves for dumb reasons. Granted there has been seasons where there has been strategic gameplay but they're the exception and not the rule.I kinda feel like alot of people whom are new come on this show as fans so they're just happy to be there and is so willing allign with eithe Backpack or Wes because they think that that's the key to victory when in reality that's the most surefire way to lose. They just see the badassery of CT or The cunningess of Wes or how much Backpack wins and are just happy to revel in that and don't really think about winning(even though they say they are) They'd rather take how the broze prize instead of the gold because hey...At least Backpack touched me/fucked me with his pink dildo!But yeah..let Idiocy and more political savy players is what this show needs and it needs it badly.The day people on this show as a whole

When people go after Bananas he ends up winning. Jordan on FA is a prime example. He failed and Bananas ended up winning the whole team. And the stupid thing about that is Jordan had a solid alliance. He could've made it to the end.Wes is continuously going after Bananas but doesn't have a solid alliance. So he can never get far.I don't know why Cory made alliances with both Wes and Bananas. Initially Cory could've honestly made his own alliance with Thomas and Dario being his main. And adding the others. Cory made a deal with Wes when Cory was in the power seat and Wes and Nany haven't performed well.All these new regular guys are up Bananas ass: Tony, Dario and CoryDevin is really the only sharp one. 

Thank you for proving my point.

Devin and Amanda as Challenge 29s alliance leaders please!

You think players would learn from Sarah & Jordan on Exes 2. It's best to form an alliance with Bananas because he is always winning missions & has power in the game. Especially early on in the game you can use him to your advantage. It's best to turn on him towards the end of the game & when he doesn't have a chance to get revenge on you. Even know I couldn't stand Sarah for the move she made on Exes 2. It still was the best game move for her & gave her the best shot at winning the challenge.  It took Jordan only one season of losing to Bananas to realize that it was better working with him than against him. You just have to make the power move at the exact right time to ensure that he definitely goes home or it's a wasted opportunity & with a chance it will come back to haunt you. Just ask Wes lol.

You think players would learn from Sarah & Jordan on Exes 2. It's best to form an alliance with Bananas because he is always winning missions & has power in the game. Especially early on in the game you can use him to your advantage. It's best to turn on him towards the end of the game & when he doesn't have a chance to get revenge on you. Even know I couldn't stand Sarah for the move she made on Exes 2. It still was the best game move for her & gave her the best shot at winning the challenge.  It took Jordan only one season of losing to Bananas to realize that it was better working with him than against him. You just have to make the power move at the exact right time to ensure that he definitely goes home or it's a wasted opportunity & with a chance it will come back to haunt you. Just ask Wes lol.

That only worked because Sarah had years of being allied with Bananas. That's not going to work for the new guys.

You think players would learn from Sarah & Jordan on Exes 2. It's best to form an alliance with Bananas because he is always winning missions & has power in the game. Especially early on in the game you can use him to your advantage. It's best to turn on him towards the end of the game & when he doesn't have a chance to get revenge on you. Even know I couldn't stand Sarah for the move she made on Exes 2. It still was the best game move for her & gave her the best shot at winning the challenge.  It took Jordan only one season of losing to Bananas to realize that it was better working with him than against him. You just have to make the power move at the exact right time to ensure that he definitely goes home or it's a wasted opportunity & with a chance it will come back to haunt you. Just ask Wes lol.

what wes did on exes 2 would have worked if not for the exile twist. and jordan only decided to work with bananas because of wes' ultimatum. wes wanted jenna and jay to go into the last elimination so that all three vet teams would see the final - he thought jenna and jay would lose the elimination no matter what, making the final some combo of leroy/nia, wes/theresa, jordan/sarah & zach/jonna. every team was on board except jordan/sarah. jordan didn't want to do that - he wanted jay and jenna in the final so he could beat them. that was what jordan and wes fought about. wes' response was to gang up on jordan and sarah. when bananas and nany were in exile and jordan was helping him, after theresa asked why jordan responded "the whole house is against us." jordan only teamed up with bananas because he had no other choice, not because he learned from his mistake on FA.

Devin and Amanda as Challenge 29s alliance leaders please!

Nelson & Amanda were so quick to throw Devin & Chef under the bus to save their own ass. They could've at least said Nate & Christina

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