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[QUOTE=OutWestSoon;87740]So which Real Worlders/Road Rulers do you think would of been better on the opposite show? I see Veronica and Katie being great on RW and was surprised that they made it on RR. I expected Ellen to be on RW, or Coral to be on RR. I think the Quest would of been great with Coral instead of Jisela. Ruthie would have been a great Roadie. Angela and Danny from X-treme would make great Real Worlders. Especailly Angela in Paris and Ace on Road Rules. From the current seasons, I could see Dunbar, Devyn, Jenn, and Brooke being great Roadies.[/QUOTE] I agree with you about Veronica and Katie. Wasn't Katie on Coral Vision once though? So they let some of the RR'ers do RW things. And if RR was still being made, I'm sure people like Jenn, Davis, Dunbar, KellyAnne, Scott, Ryan, etc. would be on that rather than RW.
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[quote=salt&vinegar;87811]She has done 2 challenges.[/quote] She's also made it pretty clear that she's not on the challenges to kick a$$, she's there to have fun and hang out, which is fine.
Did anyone see the most recent post on Mtv's Remote Control Blog? [QUOTE]For all you [I]Real World[/I] fans who complained that [URL="http://www.mtv.com/ontv/dyn/real_world_brooklyn/series.jhtml"][I]Brooklyn[/I][/URL] was a bore, we’ve got some good news. Aside from keeping the roommate count at eight, [I]Real World [URL="http://www.mtv.com/ontv/dyn/rw_cancun/series.jhtml"]XXII[/URL][/I] will be NOTHING like [I]XXI[/I]. First off, this cast rarely wears pants. Secondly, they all came to [URL="http://www.mtv.com/ontv/dyn/rw_cancun/series.jhtml"][I]Cancun[/I][/URL] to party their asses off and wreak lots of havoc. [B][I]Real World[/I]’s going back to its roots, baby![/B] Check out some video of our personal fave roommate, Super-Slutty Punk Rock Boozer Joey (not to be confused with [URL="http://www.mtv.com/ontv/dyn/realworld-season20/cast_member/cast_member.jhtml?personalityId=9869"]Spiky-Haired Muscle Beach Boozer Joey from [I]RW: Hollywood[/I][/URL][I])[/I], then get to know [URL="http://www.mtv.com/videos/misc/402226/ayiiia.jhtml#id=1614280"]the other seven massively unstable beach beauties[/URL] before tomorrow night’s big premiere! [/QUOTE] Real World is going back to its roots... Hmm, will you look at that... Excuse me a sec... but isn't Real World rooted in the social experimentation of seven (now eight) strangers from all walks of life (with focus being on their views on social issues, as opposed to being credited as "massively unstable beach beauties") coming together under one roof, learning about themselves and each other, while sparking conversation among viewers about the topics they raise? Didn't the earlier seasons have roommates who dealt with more social issues than roommates who are simply there "to party their asses off and wreak lots of havoc"? Cancun is taking the series back to its roots... If anything, Brooklyn was more of a return to the roots of the show than any season in the past few years. I get that the wild stuff grabs ratings, but come on - lest we forget from whence we came. I am sure the Cancun cast was no different than any of the other 21 in that aspect, people with varying views coming together and learning from each other. It just irks me that they are credited in this way and this how the show is packaged, especially on the heels of an exceptional season that I personally feel was incredibly relevant and the first season in a long time that tackled heavy topics and sparked conversations about social issues, much like the early seasons. (Wasn't sure where to post this, so I put it in here)
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[quote=brannon;88083]Real World is going back to its roots... Hmm, will you look at that... Excuse me a sec... but isn't Real World rooted in the social experimentation of seven (now eight) strangers from all walks of life (with focus being on their views on social issues, as opposed to being credited as "massively unstable beach beauties") coming together under one roof, learning about themselves and each other, while sparking conversation among viewers about the topics they raise? Didn't the earlier seasons have roommates who dealt with more social issues than roommates who are simply there "to party their asses off and wreak lots of havoc"? Cancun is taking the series back to its roots... If anything, [B]Brooklyn was more of a return to the roots of the show than any season in the past few years.[/B] I get that the wild stuff grabs ratings, but come on - lest we forget from whence we came. [/quote] Great post, and I agree. I had to laugh when it said Cancun was bringing RW back to its roots. Maybe the roots since Vegas..
[QUOTE=brannon;88083]Did anyone see the most recent post on Mtv's Remote Control Blog? Real World is going back to its roots... Hmm, will you look at that... Excuse me a sec... but isn't Real World rooted in the social experimentation of seven (now eight) strangers from all walks of life (with focus being on their views on social issues, as opposed to being credited as "massively unstable beach beauties") coming together under one roof, learning about themselves and each other, while sparking conversation among viewers about the topics they raise? Didn't the earlier seasons have roommates who dealt with more social issues than roommates who are simply there "to party their asses off and wreak lots of havoc"? Cancun is taking the series back to its roots... If anything, Brooklyn was more of a return to the roots of the show than any season in the past few years. I get that the wild stuff grabs ratings, but come on - lest we forget from whence we came. I am sure the Cancun cast was no different than any of the other 21 in that aspect, people with varying views coming together and learning from each other. It just irks me that they are credited in this way and this how the show is packaged, especially on the heels of an exceptional season that I personally feel was incredibly relevant and the first season in a long time that tackled heavy topics and sparked conversations about social issues, much like the early seasons. (Wasn't sure where to post this, so I put it in here)[/QUOTE] Go \back and watch some of the earlier seasons. Thay are nothing like Brooklyn. They are 10x more entertaining.
[quote=brannon;88083] Real World is going back to its roots... Hmm, will you look at that... Excuse me a sec... but isn't Real World rooted in the social experimentation of seven (now eight) strangers from all walks of life (with focus being on their views on social issues, as opposed to being credited as "massively unstable beach beauties") coming together under one roof, learning about themselves and each other, while sparking conversation among viewers about the topics they raise? Didn't the earlier seasons have roommates who dealt with more social issues than roommates who are simply there "to party their asses off and wreak lots of havoc"? Cancun is taking the series back to its roots... If anything, Brooklyn was more of a return to the roots of the show than any season in the past few years. I get that the wild stuff grabs ratings, but come on - lest we forget from whence we came. I am sure the Cancun cast was no different than any of the other 21 in that aspect, people with varying views coming together and learning from each other. It just irks me that they are credited in this way and this how the show is packaged, especially on the heels of an exceptional season that I personally feel was incredibly relevant and the first season in a long time that tackled heavy topics and sparked conversations about social issues, much like the early seasons.[/quote] To quote a fellow vevmoan...'This'.
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[quote=salt&vinegar;88089]Go \back and watch some of the earlier seasons. Thay are nothing like Brooklyn. They are 10x more entertaining.[/quote] What seasons are you talking about? Denver, Austin, Vegas, and Sydney? Um no. The Real World is about more than hot tub orgies. Nothing will ever compare to the RW before Las Vegas.
LOL. They are seriously tripping.
[quote=salt&vinegar;88089]Go back and watch some of the earlier seasons. They are nothing like Brooklyn. They are 10x more entertaining.[/quote] I've watched the show since San Francisco and was able to catch the first two seasons in marathons (Tangent: I miss those.). In some aspects, yes, those seasons were more entertaining. Brooklyn, however, was similar to the earlier seasons in the same vein that the season brought up serious topics of conversation as opposed to "Did you see that so-and-so hooked up with that-one-girl?" What set the Brooklyn season apart was that it tackled issues head-on as opposed to acknowledging them and promptly burying them under a barrage of alcohol, sex and bickering. As an example, think of the Army veterans who have been on the show. There were others before Ryan (Rachel from Austin is the first to come to mind, and if I'm not mistaken, hasn't it been mentioned on here that Dunbar from Sydney is still in the reserves?) and granted, any number of factors could have come into play as far as their stories as veterans not getting full attention on the show, but with Brooklyn, the focus returned to those issues and the stories came to the forefront. I'm sure the Brooklyn cast partied and had a great time, but viewers were once again privy to the stories, social views and dynamics of the group as opposed to just their drinking habits. With the Cancun season, I am hopeful that some things will come up that will spark discussions on issues, but I would assume from promos and the way Mtv has marketed the season that the partying will once again take center stage. As an aside, I'm really not trying to make this into a Brooklyn vs. Cancun thing. I suppose my point in bringing all of this up is just that, as a long-time viewer, I, like OtherPplsDrama, find it laughable (and borderline sad) that the 'roots' of the show are credited as drinking and partying.
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[quote=brannon;88101]As an aside, I'm really not trying to make this into a Brooklyn vs. Cancun thing. I suppose my point in bringing all of this up is just that, as a long-time viewer, I, like OtherPplsDrama, find it laughable (and borderline sad) that the 'roots' of the show are credited as drinking and partying.[/quote] Indeed. It's not Cancun vs. anyone, it hasn't even aired yet! I'll definitely give it a fair shot, but that article's statement was way off!
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I mean its fine if some people prefer party seasons but don't say "RW went back to its roots". Thats just the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard.
[quote=OtherPplsDrama;88102]Indeed. It's not Cancun vs. anyone, it hasn't even aired yet! I'll definitely give it a fair shot, but that article's statement was way off![/quote] I agree and I, too, will be giving the season a fair shot. (I actually really like their house - to me, it is reminiscent of the Miami house) I would be curious to find out how many seasons of the show the person who wrote that blog has actually seen.
[quote=tjhallow;88099]What seasons are you talking about? Denver, Austin, Vegas, and Sydney? Um no. The Real World is about more than hot tub orgies. Nothing will ever compare to the RW before Las Vegas.[/quote] The older ones TJ like season 1-8.
Wow, nicely said Brannon. That article is ludicrous and shouldn't be taken seriously.
[quote=Dartagnan;88109]Wow, nicely said Brannon. That article is ludicrous and shouldn't be taken seriously.[/quote] Thank you :) I'm afraid that people like us can see that that article is indeed ludicrous, but newer viewers (no rhyme intended ;) ) will take it far more seriously.
Which is sad. I think this idea of newer seasons being the root of Real World comes from the lack of recognition that seasons 1-11 get. People would be able to tell the significant difference in seasons 1 -11 than 12-20.
[QUOTE=brannon;88101]I've watched the show since San Francisco and was able to catch the first two seasons in marathons (Tangent: I miss those.). In some aspects, yes, those seasons were more entertaining. Brooklyn, however, was similar to the earlier seasons in the same vein that the season brought up serious topics of conversation as opposed to "Did you see that so-and-so hooked up with that-one-girl?" What set the Brooklyn season apart was that it tackled issues head-on as opposed to acknowledging them and promptly burying them under a barrage of alcohol, sex and bickering. As an example, think of the Army veterans who have been on the show. There were others before Ryan (Rachel from Austin is the first to come to mind, and if I'm not mistaken, hasn't it been mentioned on here that Dunbar from Sydney is still in the reserves?) and granted, any number of factors could have come into play as far as their stories as veterans not getting full attention on the show, but with Brooklyn, the focus returned to those issues and the stories came to the forefront. I'm sure the Brooklyn cast partied and had a great time, but viewers were once again privy to the stories, social views and dynamics of the group as opposed to just their drinking habits. With the Cancun season, I am hopeful that some things will come up that will spark discussions on issues, but I would assume from promos and the way Mtv has marketed the season that the partying will once again take center stage. As an aside, I'm really not trying to make this into a Brooklyn vs. Cancun thing. I suppose my point in bringing all of this up is just that, as a long-time viewer, I, like OtherPplsDrama, find it laughable (and borderline sad) that the 'roots' of the show are credited as drinking and partying.[/QUOTE] I think Brooklyn is one of the most childish seasons ever. Yes, it did touch on a couple of real issues but there were 2 almost whole episodes devoted to pranks and BFFometers. I am not trying to take away from the seasons serious topics but the other seasons that are called "party seasons" have dealt with these issues as well. Denver had Brookes anxiety problems as well as Davis being shunned from his family for being gay. Key West disscussed Paulas eating disorder and alcool issues. Las vegas had Brynns panic attacs and Trishelles issues with her father. Austin dealt with the death of Dannys mother and Rachels war experiences and also had the heated political debate about former president Bush. Also, Austin disscussed Nehemiahs mother and their realtionship and Lacey having a disabled boyfriend. Denver also had Colie getting mono. San Diego had Fankie(RIP) dealing with life with cystic fibrosis.
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Yes, they have their serious moments but it wasn't just all about hooking up. I can't stand it when people say "OMG THERE ARE NO HOT PEOPLE ON THIS REAL WORLD AND NOBODY IS HOOKING UP. ZOMG!! AUSTIN WAS THE BEST SEASON EVER." If you watched the earlier seasons, you will see what people are talking about. There can be a good season without hot tub orgies. And I like both aspects (partying and serious), but RW has not gone back to its roots with Cancun.
[quote=Dartagnan;88116]Which is sad. I think this idea of newer seasons being the root of Real World comes from the lack of recognition that seasons 1-11 get. People would be able to tell the significant difference in seasons 1 -11 than 12-20.[/quote] IMO this is because MTV stopped showing the marathons before a new season started. I started watching Real World around Hawaii... but I was able to catch seasons I missed during these marathons... Now newcomers only see what I airing a hundred times!
[quote=salt&vinegar;88117]I tgink Brooklyn is one of the most childish seasons ever. Yes it did touch on a couple of real issues but there were 2 almost whole episodes devoted to pranks and BFFometers. I am not trying to take away from the seasons serious topics but the other seasons that are called "party seasons" have dealt with these issues as well. Denver had Brookes anxiety problems as well as Davis being shunned from his family for being gay. Key West disscussed Paulas eating disorder and alcool issues. Las vegas had Brynns panic attacs and Trishelles issues with her father. Austin dealt with the death of Dannys mother and Rachels war experiences and also had the heated political debate about former president Bush. Also, Austin disscussed Nehemiahs mother and their realtionship and Lacey having a disabled boyfriend. Denver also had Colie getting mono. San Diego had Fankie(RIP) dealing with life with cystic fibrosis.[/quote] Indeed they do - but are those seasons known for those issues by the general audience? Or are they remembered by the plethora of cut scenes at bars? Like I said, a lot of it is in how the show is packaged. You put seven (now eight) strangers with big personalities (because that's a must in order to get anywhere near to being on the show) in a living space, strong issues are naturally going to arise. Whether or not those topics take center stage depends on a few key people behind the scenes. And, again, with such a high viewer turnover rate, I find it sad, as a longtime viewer, that this is how the show is known to newer audiences. And TJ- I remember seasons that didn't even have a hot tub! I want to say that it was in Boston where two of the roomates even talked about whether or not their house would have a hot tub as they made their way there.
[quote=salt&vinegar;88117]I think Brooklyn is one of the most childish seasons ever. Yes, it did touch on a couple of real issues but there were 2 almost whole episodes devoted to pranks and BFFometers. I am not trying to take away from the seasons serious topics but the other seasons that are called "party seasons" have dealt with these issues as well. Denver had Brookes anxiety problems as well as Davis being shunned from his family for being gay. Key West disscussed Paulas eating disorder and alcohol issues. Las vegas had Brynns panic attacs and Trishelles issues with her father. Austin dealt with the death of Dannys mother and Rachels war experiences and also had the heated political debate about former president Bush. Also, Austin disscussed Nehemiahs mother and their realtionship and Lacey having a disabled boyfriend. Denver also had Colie getting mono. San Diego had Fankie(RIP) dealing with life with cystic fibrosis.[/quote] Okay so they had a few childish things? Tell me how Las Vegas-Sydney showed more maturity than those few moments? You can't can you? Sure all those seasons had those issues, how much focus did they get? Barely any. They touched on it and switched to a scene later on that showed them partying it up. I'm sorry, but your points are moot in that Brooklyn did the same thing. Brooklyn had a whole episode dealing with rape, depression, infedelity in a sense, transgender, domestic violence, and aspirations. Whole episodes. So if you try to argue that Colie getting mono is as important as those things you are wrong. By the way CM, I still love Colie!
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IMO, you can't say which is better unless you have watched both aspects of it, and not just Brooklyn. Watch a season like B2NY and then watch Austin.
I agree TJ. I just used Brooklyn as an example because salt&vinegar chose to use that as their example. If you watched a season like Boston or Hawaii and then watched a season like Sydney, you would tell the difference.
[quote=Dartagnan;88116]Which is sad. I think this idea of newer seasons being the root of Real World comes from the lack of recognition that seasons 1-11 get. People would be able to tell the significant difference in seasons 1 -11 than 12-20.[/quote] I hate when people say Las Vegas changed The Real World! How could one season change a whole show? The show started to go in a more party direction because that is obviously what the general audience wanted. Most of the Vevmo members disagree with me but Vevmo only has a small percentage of Real World viewers. [quote=Dartagnan;88124]I agree TJ. I just used Brooklyn as an example because salt&vinegar chose to use that as their example. If you watched a season like Boston or Hawaii and then watched a season like Sydney, you would tell the difference.[/quote] I am only trying to get my opinion as well as the opinion of many others expressed on this site.
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[quote=salt&vinegar;88125]I hate when people say Las Vegas changed The Real World! How could one season change a whole show? The show started to go in a more party direction because that is obviously what the general audience wanted. Most of the Vevmo members disagree with me but Vevmo only has a small percentage of Real World viewers.[/quote] No, I know tons of people who don't watch the Real World anymore because of seasons like Las Vegas. They tell my I'm delusional for still watching it. Go over and read some the Real World thread over at TWOP (starting from the beginning). Salt and Vinegar, unless you watched some of the early seasons you really can't compare them. It would be be like me deciding which transformers movie is better but I can't really sit there and tell you because I didn't see both of them. There is nothing wrong with liking party seasons, I like them too, but seasons like Denver, Sydney, Las Vegas, are nothing like the earlier seasons of the RW.
[quote=salt&vinegar;88125]I hate when people say Las Vegas changed The Real World! How could one season change a whole show? The show started to go in a more party direction because that is obviously what the general audience wanted. Most of the Vevmo members disagree with me but Vevmo only has a small percentage of Real World viewers.[/quote] It did! I mean how did it not? It only takes one thing to change something completely. It only took George Bush to turn this nation upside down didn't it? It was nowhere near a party season for 11 seasons, and the Las Vegas came and it just magically turned into a party season. I mean I think it is obvious. The general audience seemed perfectly fine watching maturity at its finest for 11 seasons so how did they just suddenly change?
[quote=salt&vinegar;88125]I hate when people say Las Vegas changed The Real World! How could one season change a whole show? The show started to go in a more party direction because that is obviously what the general audience wanted. Most of the Vevmo members disagree with me but Vevmo only has a small percentage of Real World viewers.[/quote] A lot of Vevmo viewers are long-time viewers though and, in retrospect, can see the point at which the show changed. It was Vegas. [quote=DANDELION]IMO this is because MTV stopped showing the marathons before a new season started. I started watching Real World around Hawaii... but I was able to catch seasons I missed during these marathons... Now newcomers only see what I airing a hundred times![/quote] I would definitely agree with that. Granted, a lot of the early seasons we keep mentioning were sold into syndication, but the marathons did keep the past seasons fresh in peoples minds.
[QUOTE=tjhallow;88127]No, I know tons of people who don't watch the Real World anymore because of seasons like Las Vegas. They tell my I'm delusional for still watching it. Go over and read some the Real World thread over at TWOP (starting from the beginning). Salt and Vinegar, unless you watched some of the early seasons you really can't compare them. It would be be like me deciding which transformers movie is better but I can't really sit there and tell you because I didn't see both of them. There is nothing wrong with like party seasons, I like them too, but seasons like Denver, Sydney, Las Vegas, are nothing like the earlier seasons of the RW.[/QUOTE] I know many people who laughed at me for watching Brooklyn because it was so boring. My older sister and uncle who have been watching since seaason 3 stopped watching half way through the season. They said how disapointed she was because she thought it was going to be like the earlier seasons but it ended up being to dull to even watch
[quote=salt&vinegar;88133]I know many people who laughed at me for watching Brooklyn because it was so boring. My older sister and uncle who have been watching since seaason 3 stopped watching half way through the season. They said how disapointed she was because she thought it was going to be like the earlier seasons but it ended up being to dull to even watch[/quote] That's your experience with the season. Many of [I]my[/I] friends came back to the show during the Brooklyn season and have already said they won't be sticking around for Cancun, based solely upon promos.
[quote=brannon;88130]A lot of Vevmo viewers are long-time viewers though and, in retrospect, can see the point at which the show changed. It was Vegas.[/quote] I'm going to "guess" Salt & Vinegar was not even born when The Real World started airing, so I'd say to take their thoughts with a grain of Salt... For those of us old enough to watch TV after 8 PM when the Vegas season aired, it clearly marked a turning point in the series. This was widely covered in the media and there has been little debate (in retrospect) on the subject because it was[I] that[/I] obvious of a shift.

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