Chris "CT" Tamburello

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I could've sworn we've already had this discussion...:yucky:
[QUOTE=Desertpuma;147067][B]If you look at the second part of my sentence, right after the segment you boldfaced, you'll see I pointed out that I was referring to ON-CAMERA[/B]. I was not referencing stuff prior to the Challenge or anything off-camera. On-camera, CT initiated it and Adam was standing talking to someone without even looking his direction. CT walked up behind him and started it. [B]Are they both to blame for it continuing? Certainly. Did Adam do something off-camera prior to the Challenge? Yeah. Should Adam have known better than to stick around once CT was trying to push his buttons? Absolutely. He didn't and what happened is what we saw[/B].[/QUOTE] I know you were which is why I put the part about footage in bold. Meaning ON FILM. Thanks for proving my point in the second part of your paragraph.
[QUOTE=Desertpuma;147067]If you look at the second part of my sentence, right after the segment you boldfaced, you'll see I pointed out that I was referring to ON-CAMERA. I was not referencing stuff prior to the Challenge or anything off-camera. On-camera, CT initiated it and Adam was standing talking to someone without even looking his direction. CT walked up behind him and started it. Are they both to blame for it continuing? Certainly. Did Adam do something off-camera prior to the Challenge? Yeah. Should Adam have known better than to stick around once CT was trying to push his buttons? Absolutely. He didn't and what happened is what we saw.[/QUOTE] I agree. Adam is at fault too, but we've seen people mess with each other all the time in challenges, and go crazy. BUt no one hardly ever throw a punch. The only once I rmember are CT, and Abram. Or Tina, if you call that a punch. But they've all had scuffles. My point is, CT, has had scuffles with other challengers. But he only crossed the line with the little guys (adam, David). And for someone his size, I think its cowardly, period. You dont see guys like Evan, Alton or Miz, trying to use their muscles to intimidate people outside of the challenges. Those 3, are probably the contestans I respect the most in the game, along with Mark of course from the guys. OK, he is a good competitor, i will admit. But thats not all you need to win the challenge. He shouldve taken on Big Easy and got him out in the gauntlet 3. ANd that also includes the others who didnt do so. Evan and them clearly learned from that, and now they dominate all the challenges. CT cant stay in the game long enough, so to me he is not a strong competitor. BEing able to control yourself, is a big part of it, because I am sure those testosterone kids, all get pissed off once and again. I can understand if you lose it once, and give you a break. Like Darell, who was provoked, but still coulve brush that one off. And even Brad, because his past tells me that, that was a freak moment, really out of character. So I give them both a break. But CT is just a head case really. So anyways, I am just hating on the praises, because CT does not deserve to be praised as a competitor. And Desertpuma, youre where in Arizona? I use to live in Tucson for like 10 years. :)
I'm currently in Scottsdale. I'm an Arizona native who has lived everywhere in the East Valley (Tempe, Mesa, Chandler, Gilbert, etc) plus Phoenix, Scottsdale, Prescott, and Flagstaff.
[QUOTE=Wildcats;147071]I agree. Adam is at fault too, but we've seen people mess with each other all the time in challenges, and go crazy. BUt no one hardly ever throw a punch. The only once I rmember are CT, and Abram. Or Tina, if you call that a punch. But they've all had scuffles. My point is, CT, has had scuffles with other challengers. But he only crossed the line with the little guys (adam, David). And for someone his size, I think its cowardly, period. You dont see guys like Evan, Alton or Miz, trying to use their muscles to intimidate people outside of the challenges. Those 3, are probably the contestans I respect the most in the game, along with Mark of course from the guys. OK, he is a good competitor, i will admit. But thats not all you need to win the challenge. He shouldve taken on Big Easy and got him out in the gauntlet 3. ANd that also includes the others who didnt do so. Evan and them clearly learned from that, and now they dominate all the challenges. CT cant stay in the game long enough, so to me he is not a strong competitor. BEing able to control yourself, is a big part of it, because I am sure those testosterone kids, all get pissed off once and again. I can understand if you lose it once, and give you a break. Like Darell, who was provoked, but still coulve brush that one off. And even Brad, because his past tells me that, that was a freak moment, really out of character. So I give them both a break. But CT is just a head case really. So anyways, I am just hating on the praises, because CT does not deserve to be praised as a competitor. And Desertpuma, youre where in Arizona? I use to live in Tucson for like 10 years. :)[/QUOTE] Yeah but Adam should know that if you mess with CT the results could be violent, he asked for it. Especially knowing that CT wasnt in the best state of mind during that challenge with the Diem drama and his brothers death.
I dont think people are as scared of CT as its made up to be, at least before the Duel 2 Adam fight. Isaac could have sent CT home but decided not to and from what I remember they were cool in the morning. Also on G3 Frank was getting into CT's face. He did it as a joke, but still. Not sure if anyone would do that anymore.
All that being said, on my part, I 'd like to see CT kick some ***, stay cool, and win a challenge, with a lot of money. I think he Deserves to win some money at least, being one of the strongest. He would be perfect in a show like Fresh meat. So I hate all the stuff he's done, and I question his character, but at the end of the day, I would really like him to have a clean series, and win. So either a Fresh meat challenge, or the one where its, champions vs challengers. He would be put into a leadership role. I think those would be the best chances for CT to win. Because his individuality would really show.
I still say the best way to deal with CT is to make him sign a contract where if he is at all violent he has to pay a huuuuge fine and be banned from using the RW to gain any money at all. Basically paint him against a wall.
I think CT is best suited for a Duel especially the one like season 1. If he beats Brad he would have won anyways. On a team he attacks the weaker people which makes them perform worse. Also on Fresh Meat it would be entertaining but he pretty much would exploit the other member of his team and they would have to do what he would say. Also if they performed bad he may hit them or threaten them.
Just imagine if it had been CT paired with Casey instead of Wes..he probably would've pushed her off the waterfall.
He probably would have ...
[QUOTE=Entropy;147280]Just imagine if it had been CT paired with Casey instead of Wes..he probably would've pushed her off the waterfall.[/QUOTE] I think he probably would have just bear hugged her and jumped off with her hahaha...although I don't think he would have treated her as badly as Wes did on FM. Say what you want about CT, and correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't remember him ever being on a challenge and calling a woman a "stupid *****" at any point.
No, he just called Leah worthless on Inferno 2, and said they had to trim the fat (women except Evelyn apparently) on gaunlet 3.
I didn't read through this entire thread, admittedly, but I'm surprised anyone would want CT back on a challenge. He's a violent person who assaults unsuspecting--and innocent--people. Adam is half his size and weight. What kind of gratification does CT get from smashing his face in? The last challenge he was on after he and Diem broke up, he raged like a monster. I honestly think that guy should be in prison and committed to anger-management classes and counseling until he's too old to assault anyone again. What's even scarier--as if he's not scary enough--is that he's a blackout drunk who doesn't remember getting into fights (re: Davis. 'why would i hit a gay kid?' I don't know, CT. You hit him, so tell us why you would hit a gay kid.). Why hasn't this guy gotten arrested for assault yet? Because he didn't hit Adam and Davis on American soil? I don't blame anyone for not wanting him around. Even strong guys like Evan, Wes and Landon could get hurt. CT fights out of anger. That makes a much stronger fighter when they go up against someone who's not angry and especially someone not expecting it. Wow, people. I'm shocked. Make him sign a contract? Will a contract make him stay sober and curb his anger?
If you HAD read through the thread, you would know we almost all agree he shouldnt be brought back, but if he is that a contract with stipulations would be a good idea. You'd also know that it wasnt 100% CT's fault and like the Brad/Darrel fight he and Adam both were guilty. Had Adam not goaded CT (which he did)or backed off when he CT told him too, CT wouldn't have punched him.
I admitted i didn't read the whole thread, i was responding to the last few comments. And don't blame the victim. Who cares that Adam stood up for himself. It takes a grown man (a grown adult) to keep his hands to himself. A contract won't contain an uncaged animal. And, Entropy, aren't you the one who wrote "I didn't see no Jenni" in the Jersey Shore thread? Unless that was an unintentional error, I don't think i can have a discussion with someone who may not be able to express herself well. I don't want to misinterpret you and your writing is conducive to that.
First off, I am a dude and secondly I am latino so sometimes I do have some grammatical errors, thirdly the fact that I may commit error doesn't take away from you not having the decency of at least reading the thread before you giving your two cents, its proper forum etiquette.
Knock it off you guys.
All you guys on here saying negative remarks about CT and his past make you guys such better people right? CT should be in prison? Yea i guess people should go to jail until they are to old to fight huh? That makes complete sense. Abram has gotten into two fights, same with CT. Why is CT this huge scary monster and a bad person? Because he's twice Adams size? To all you people on here downgrading him, congratulations. You look no better than the person your accusing. Obviously he has some personal issues. And talking about them and criticizing him makes you guys look so much more intelligent.
whoever thinks a contract will subdue CT should be locked in a room for a few hours with CT and a bottle of Jack Daniels. And CT also got into a fight on his season. No one said anything about being a better person than CT. That's a weak accusation. CT has committed assault on multiple occasions. People are afraid of CT. I don't think anyone is afraid of Abram. And no one is afraid of Wes--even though he claims to be a frightening character. Why? Neither go around punching people in the face for no reason.
Entropy, a great point about the CT/Adam fight. This wasn't like I3 where CT got drunk and randomly punched somebody, which was 100% to blame for. Adam is every bit as much to blame for that fight as CT is. If Adam was completely innocent in this ordeal, which he wasn't, he would not have been sent home. Especially being the person in the D2 that had known CT the longest, Adam should have known not to be pushing his buttons. I'm a new poster on here (just joined this week) but I've been lurking for awhile. I hope we'll be seeing CT on another Challenge because he is arguably the best competitor in the history of the show, AND he is entertaining TV. I would love to see him come back, play his game, keep his emotions in check, and win one. I'm sure that he would have to have a unique contract made up to be on again. Completion of an anger management program would be a helpful stipulation and probably would make the other cast members feel safe around him. I've seen people make the point that they've allowed Abram back even though he's been kicked off 2 shows for hitting people...and here's something I'd like to point out. Abram was SOBER when he hit both Donell and Adam. CT was out of control drunk when he hit Davis and Adam. I believe on the Top 25 Challenge moments, Paula said something like, "I think Jack Daniels punched Davis in the face". And now after that Darrell/Brad exchange, to which both admitted afterward that they had been drinking too much Jack Daniels, I think production needs to really consider not allowing hard alcohol on these shows.
I've always said its more productions fault than anyone else's. If they see whats coming they should stop it, NO MATTER what. Sure it makes TV, but they've been lucky thus far that nothing extremely serious has happened because of these fights. But had the cast not come between CT and Adam, I do think something could've really happened.
[QUOTE=good brooklyn;148099] I don't think anyone is afraid of Abram. And no one is afraid of Wes--even .[/QUOTE] That is probably because Ab is generally seen as a nice guy and only had a couple outbursts, it was almost unexpected how fast they happened. While CT though his whole attitude is towards being intimidating and being the alpha male. With him it's almost expected that he carries on in that manner. Should they really need to be in fear of someone? I personnally don't think so and this is why he will not come back unless drastic steps are shown that he has changed.
In regards to Abram, I believe I saw it written on here somewhere that Abram and Adam and a roomful of lawyers agreed that Abram would never be on another Challenge with Adam again. As for CT, there are just anger management issues there. But I doubt he'd agree and instead he'd punch you for saying so.
[QUOTE=Entropy;148136]I've always said its more productions fault than anyone else's. If they see whats coming they should stop it, NO MATTER what. Sure it makes TV, but they've been lucky thus far that nothing extremely serious has happened because of these fights. But had the cast not come between CT and Adam, I do think something could've really happened.[/QUOTE] I agree with this completely! I like CT aot of the time, but he is a loose cannon. If he keeps his cool, he would be a great challenger. But certainly, the production on the night of the Adam fight, shouldve been on top of it. There is no way, one man, should be able to wreck mayhem like that, no matter how, big, strong, or enraged they are. They absolutely didnt protect the contestants. Fair enough if he throws one punch, and at that point the other housemates temporarily separated them, but anything after that, was the production being completely incompetent. he was drunk out of his mind, and in a homicidal mindset. They shouldve been all over it. They should have peole ready to interven, whenever those guys are getting roudy. We are talking about competitors, who hare highly strung. Anything can happen, if alcohol i involved. Its should be like having bouncers at a bar. NO matter who it is, they should always be able to contain you.
Great point Wildcats about productions complete negligence. I'm getting really tired of seeing alcohol affect the outcomes of these cames, especially in CT's case, where if alchohol isn't involved then we're talking about 2 challenges' outcomes potentially being swayed significantly. Of course people are going to say well just don't drink at these things, but several cast members have pointed out that in the last few seasons production has forced them to stay in the house and not go out on the town (as opposed to what we saw on several previous Challenges). In the last few seasons of the Challenge, production has confined the cast to a house which they are not allowed to leave, but conveniently there is plenty of alcohol to allow the cast to drink themselves stupid every night, which has led to fights in the last couple seasons (CT/Adam, Brad/Darrell) that have drastically changed the outcome of the game. I said this a few days ago but feel the need to reiterate it: production needs to take a good hard look at how things are going down, and change how things are happening. Either get the hard liquor out of the house, or let the cast get out of the house and have some fun. I really think production is to blame for the recent fights more than anyone else. The CT/Adam and Brad/Darrell fights on the last two challenges...it was completely obvious to the viewers that something violent was going to happen if no one got in the way, and it did, and what resulted was the two most brutal fights ever on the Challenge. Production did not do a damn thing to stop either one, even though it was evident to everyone watching that punches were going to be thrown. I understand that they're trying to make good TV, but production has really dropped the ball in the last 2 seasons, and caused 3 of the best competitors (CT, Brad, Darrell) that this game has ever seen to be sent home due to them not intervening on situations that were clearly spiraling out of control.
[QUOTE=faceless;150246]I think what Entropy is trying to say is that he's a great performer (although he isn't better then CT and Landon) unlike Johnny and Kenny. Johnny and Kenny know they aren't the best when it comes to performance (even if they don't want to admit it) so they strictly work harder on mental and game play. Evan on the other hand acknowledges that even though mental and game play is half the game, the other half, competition, is a huge factor also. Like in the ruins replay when Johnny and Evan were talking about CT and Johnny said CT was mental and Evan was saying how because he's such a good competitor no one wants to go against him and saying that for CT that is a good enough strategy.[/QUOTE] Yea more than half the game is mental, but lets go back on why CT hasn't won. Inferno, his team made it to the puzzle first, they just couldn't solve it. Didn't mentally check out there. Inferno 2, Tonya lost it for them. The Duel, Brand beat him by default. 3 Challenges he did not mentally check himself out. Inferno 3, he punched Davis before the challenges even started, I don't think he mentally checked himself out, he was just a drunk idiot and got himself sent home. Gauntlet 3, Easy lost it for them, and finally Duel 2. Once again punching someone before the challenges. Again for being a drunk idiot, who also had a lot of emotional hurt from what had recently happened to him about his brother. Now when people mentally check themselves out, or lose because of the mental game is usually when they are voted in elimination and doubt themselves, like Johanna on the Ruins. Tonya giving in for everyone personally attacking her and letting it get to her. Out of all the challenges, only one I'd say CT let someone get to him (Adam) causing him to react how he did and mentally check himself out. So for Johnny to say CT hasn't won because he can't play the mental game is ridiculous.
I dont think it is ridiculous to sat CT cant handle the mental part of the game. He is fine as far as strategy, but he constantly drinks and loses check of his emotions. On I3 and Duel 2 he was looking for fights and could have been kicked off on D2 even before the Adam fight if Isaac would have wanted. He also gets DQ'd a good amount, which led to him not winning the first Duel. I think part of it is that he is over confident so he doesnt pay attention to the rules.
[QUOTE=morris614;150368]I dont think it is ridiculous to sat CT cant handle the mental part of the game. He is fine as far as strategy, but he constantly drinks and loses check of his emotions. On I3 and Duel 2 he was looking for fights and could have been kicked off on D2 even before the Adam fight if Isaac would have wanted. He also gets DQ'd a good amount, which led to him not winning the first Duel. I think part of it is that he is over confident so he doesnt pay attention to the rules.[/QUOTE] As far as what Johnny said about CT - I think he meant can't do the mental strategy. I3 was 100% his fault, D2 I'd say his 100% his and Adam's fault. They both played a huge factor in what happened. On the first Duel his dq against Brad was lame. As was Beth's to Svetlana. CT completely destroyed Brad. Should he not be confident? I mean, the guy is a monster in competition. Landon is confident, Evan is confident, paranoid but still confident, Kenny, Johnny, and many other guys are confident. I'd say the Miz is even more confident then CT. All I'm trying to say is that your game can be just perform well enough that you make it to the end and win. Every time CT made it to the end he was struck with bad luck. If CT relied on his physical ability, intimidation, and raw skill, basically just himself, he'd probably win.
Ct is banned from MTV? D: I want him on the 20th challenge and whoopKenny/Evan/Johnny's ***! Him and Wes in a Alliance against them ahhhh I'd watch that!

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