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I think they should do another Fresh Meat challenge but have the vets do different physical and mental activities and the FMers have to pick who they want based on those stats. And the vets would be hidden but numbered so the FM can't pick someone just because they think he/she hot or just because they are a fan of them. They would call the number they want based on the stats and who ever that vet is would reveal his/herself lol.
[QUOTE=Superboy;279957] You're right, because you guys don't know competitors. CT is an outstanding competitor, easily better than anyone expect for maybe Mark all time. He has the size, strength, athleticism, speed, skills, and mental strength. And though he isn't too bright of a person(not being able to control his emotions), he still beat Evan in a puzzle(on Duel 1) and showed he can win in that aswell(not to mention he was cocky going into it). He is a complete competitor, when it comes to the competition, he pretty much lacks in nothing.[/QUOTE] All I'm saying is, CT might be able to do what Landon did and win Fresh Meat with the last pick/one of the weakest females, but until he does it (or at least something to the effect) I have Landon solidly ahead of him. In my opinion that was one of the most impressive challenge wins ever. A few other reasons why I have Landon ahead of CT: - Landon is 3-0 in Finals, CT is 0-3 in Finals - They went head to head in an athletic competition on Inferno 2 and Landon smoked him (as well as everybody else) - Landon is 5-1 in elimination rounds, CT is 3-2 - Landon has 3 challenge wins, CT has none.
[QUOTE]- Landon is 3-0 in Finals, CT is 0-3 in Finals[/QUOTE] Inferno 1-CT was on a bad Real World Team compared to what Road Rules had so what could he had done about that? Gauntlet 3-Eric lost it for the Vets, not CT's fault. If Landon was on the Vets he would of lost too. Rivals-Adam lost it for him and CT and Adam admitted it. [QUOTE]- They went head to head in an athletic competition on Inferno 2 and Landon smoked him (as well as everybody else) - Landon is 5-1 in elimination rounds, CT is 3-2 - Landon has 3 challenge wins, CT has none.[/QUOTE] CT still outperformed Landon overall on the Inferno 2. And Landon is 3-1 in individual elimination rounds and defeated bottom competitors such as Issac, Dan, and Karamo. CT took out Evan, who is much better obviously than anyone Landon took out. Landon has 3 challenge wins mostly based on being fortunate to be on the right teams(Good Guys and Rookies). His only challenge win that he earned mostly by himself was on Fresh Meat 1. In a recent interview, Ruthie said she would take CT over Landon after giving it thought because of his performance on Rivals. CT has always been the best competitor on all the challenge he's been on. He is the most feared competitor in challenge history. No one has been giving more credit by challengers than CT has.
[QUOTE=Superboy;279963]Inferno 1-CT was on a bad Real World Team compared to what Road Rules had so what could he had done about that? Gauntlet 3-Eric lost it for the Vets, not CT's fault. If Landon was on the Vets he would of lost too. Rivals-Adam lost it for him and CT and Adam admitted it. CT still outperformed Landon overall on the Inferno 2. And Landon is 3-1 in individual elimination rounds and defeated bottom competitors such as Issac, Dan, and Karamo. CT took out Evan, who is much better obviously than anyone Landon took out. Landon has 3 challenge wins mostly based on being fortunate to be on the right teams(Good Guys and Rookies). His only challenge win that he earned mostly by himself was on Fresh Meat 1. In a recent interview, Ruthie said she would take CT over Landon after giving it thought because of his performance on Rivals. CT has always been the best competitor on all the challenge he's been on. He is the most feared competitor in challenge history. No one has been giving more credit by challengers than CT has.[/QUOTE] Landon dominated the Duel 2 with 5 challenge wins and one elimination round and on the Inferno 2 won 4 life shields and 2 elimination rounds
[QUOTE=Superboy;279963]Inferno 1-CT was on a bad Real World Team compared to what Road Rules had so what could he had done about that? Gauntlet 3-Eric lost it for the Vets, not CT's fault. If Landon was on the Vets he would of lost too. Rivals-Adam lost it for him and CT and Adam admitted it. CT still outperformed Landon overall on the Inferno 2. And Landon is 3-1 in individual elimination rounds and defeated bottom competitors such as Issac, Dan, and Karamo. CT took out Evan, who is much better obviously than anyone Landon took out. Landon has 3 challenge wins mostly based on being fortunate to be on the right teams(Good Guys and Rookies). His only challenge win that he earned mostly by himself was on Fresh Meat 1. In a recent interview, Ruthie said she would take CT over Landon after giving it thought because of his performance on Rivals. CT has always been the best competitor on all the challenge he's been on. He is the most feared competitor in challenge history. No one has been giving more credit by challengers than CT has.[/QUOTE]So you excuse ALL of CT's losses and chalk them up to weak teammates, but when Landon wins a challenge with the last pick and by far the weakest female in the Final, he get's no credit and "any top tier competitor could have done that"?
[QUOTE=josePortugal;279964]Landon dominated the Duel 2 with 5 challenge wins and one elimination round and on the Inferno 2 won 4 life shields and 2 elimination rounds[/QUOTE] CT was the best competitor on his first challenge(Inferno 1), won 6 lifesavers on the Inferno 2, was the best competitor on the Duel 1, and the best competitor on all his challenges period. He completely destroyed big guys like Johnny on Cutthroat, and Tyler on Rivals(when he tackled him in the elimination round). [QUOTE=JEK & Wes;279965]So you excuse ALL of CT's losses and chalk them up to weak teammates, but when Landon wins a challenge with the last pick and by far the weakest female in the Final, he get's no credit and "any top tier competitor could have done that"?[/QUOTE] Landon gets credit for that, but it's not worthy to rank him over CT, who would have easily done that because he's stronger than Landon, and has really good endurance aswell.
[QUOTE=Superboy;279966]CT was the best competitor on his first challenge(Inferno 1), won 6 lifesavers on the Inferno 2, was the best competitor on the Duel 1, and the best competitor on all his challenges period. He completely destroyed big guys like Johnny on Cutthroat, and Tyler on Rivals(when he tackled him in the elimination round). Landon gets credit for that, but it's not worthy to rank him over CT, who would have easily done that because he's stronger than Landon, and has really good endurance aswell.[/QUOTE] Landon is the best competitor in all challenge history he won agains Mark, Alton,Evan and Darrell, he is the best, CT is the third after Landon and Alton
[QUOTE=Superboy;279966] Landon gets credit for that, but it's not worthy to rank him over CT, who would have easily done that because he's stronger than Landon, and has really good endurance aswell.[/QUOTE]So CT could have easily won FM2 with the last pick and weakest female, but the ONLY reason why he's never won was because of his weak teammates? If he can easily win with weaker teammates why didn't he do it on Inferno/Inferno 2/Rivals? His teams were not even that much worse on the Inferno 1 & 2. He's had some of the best competitors ever on his teams during those 2 challenges. (Miz, Derrick, Abram, Rachel, Veronica) Also, if you want to discuss getting credit from other challengers, Laurel & Evelyn both said they'd take Landon over anyone in challenge history.
[QUOTE=josePortugal;279967]Landon is the best competitor in all challenge history he won agains Mark, Alton,Evan and Darrell, he is the best, CT is the third after Landon and Alton[/QUOTE] LOL! Landon only won against Mark because Mark was 37 years old and past his prime.........yet Landon only barely outperformed Mark. Landon was inferior to Alton on the Gauntlet 2 and acknowledged it. Evan declined since Fresh Meat 1 and the Duel 1 and gave his worst performance in the missions on the Duel 2. Darrell is a great competitor when he needed to be the most, otherwise he was just average he got outperformed by Dave on the Gauntlet 1. And CT was the best overall on the Inferno 2, not Landon. Mark, CT, and Timmy are the top three all time. [QUOTE]So CT could have easily won FM2 with the last pick and weakest female, but the ONLY reason why he's never won was because of his weak teammates? If he can easily win with weaker teammates why didn't he do it on Inferno/Inferno 2/Rivals? [/QUOTE] Man.....there is a huge difference between team challenges and pair challenges! All CT would have to worry about is Carely, that's it! On the Inferno he was stuck with a far inferior team and one person cannot carry an entire team over. [QUOTE]His teams were not even that much worse on the Inferno 1 & 2. He's had some of the best competitors ever on his teams during those 2 challenges. (Miz, Derrick, Abram, Rachel, Veronica)[/QUOTE] The Bad ***** had poor chemistry. If Landon was on the badasses, his *** would of lost right with his teammates and there would of been nothing he could do. [QUOTE] Also, if you want to discuss getting credit from other challengers, Laurel & Evelyn both said they'd take Landon over anyone in challenge history. [/QUOTE] WOW! Two people that came on the challenge seen in the new era know about all the challengers that have competed in challenge history....... right! They know nothing of Mark, Timmy, Theo V, Dan(RR5), Christian(RR2), Colin, and Chadwick.
[QUOTE=Superboy;279969]LOL! Landon only won against Mark because Mark was 37 years old and past his prime.........yet Landon only barely outperformed Mark. Landon was inferior to Alton on the Gauntlet 2 and acknowledged it. Evan declined since Fresh Meat 1 and the Duel 1 and gave his worst performance in the missions on the Duel 2. Darrell is a great competitor when he needed to be the most, otherwise he was just average he got outperformed by Dave on the Gauntlet 1. And CT was the best overall on the Inferno 2, not Landon. Mark, CT, and Timmy are the top three all time.[/QUOTE] What has CT done? He hasn't done anything...he only beat Evan and Brad, Landon has beaten all the strong competitors and won 3 challenges and he the only reason he didn't win the Duel 2 was because Brad used dirty tricks.
Why is everyone still arguing with Superboy? Don't you all realize now that he is the only one here who knows how to judge competitors? He is superior to everyone because he has the elite knowledge of judging people on a tv show? We have nothing on him and his notebook of statistics that take months and months of observation to collect? Let him be. Whether you agree with him or not isn't important because he knows. He is a competitor analyzing specialist.
[QUOTE=faceless] Why is everyone still arguing with Superboy? Don't you all realize now that he is the only one here who knows how to judge competitors? He is superior to everyone because he has the elite knowledge of judging people on a tv show? We have nothing on him and his notebook of statistics that take months and months of observation to collect? Let him be. Whether you agree with him or not isn't important because he knows. He is a competitor analyzing specialist. [/QUOTE] Have you seen all the challenges dating back to the first?
[QUOTE=Superboy;279969]LOL! Landon only won against Mark because Mark was 37 years old and past his prime.........yet Landon only barely outperformed Mark. Landon was inferior to Alton on the Gauntlet 2 and acknowledged it. Evan declined since Fresh Meat 1 and the Duel 1 and gave his worst performance in the missions on the Duel 2. Darrell is a great competitor when he needed to be the most, otherwise he was just average he got outperformed by Dave on the Gauntlet 1. And CT was the best overall on the Inferno 2, not Landon. Mark, CT, and Timmy are the top three all time. Man.....there is a huge difference between team challenges and pair challenges! All CT would have to worry about is Carely, that's it! On the Inferno he was stuck with a far inferior team and one person cannot carry an entire team over. The Bad ***** had poor chemistry. If Landon was on the badasses, his *** would of lost right with his teammates and there would of been nothing he could do. WOW! Two people that came on the challenge seen in the new era know about all the challengers that have competed in challenge history....... right! They know nothing of Mark, Timmy, Theo V, Dan(RR5), Christian(RR2), Colin, and Chadwick.[/QUOTE] I think it's even easier to win with a big team with only 1 or 2 weak links, than it is to win a partner challenge with a weak teammate. We've seen weak competitors win team challenges a LOT more than we've seen weak competitors win partner challenges. CT did not need to carry his weak links by himself, he's had strong competitors with him both times. Bottom line is, your arguments are all hypothetical scenarios. You don't know how CT would do with Carley on FM2, all we know is Landon managed to win a challenge with a weaker teammate and CT hasn't And you really think Timmy is better than Landon? The same Timmy who was the worst competitor on his team in 7 of the 10 missions he competed in on the Inferno 3?
[QUOTE=Superboy;279974]You don't derserve to be in this debate! [/QUOTE] If you think you're smarter and better informed than other members [bully behavior], why not have a go at me? I don't expect it will greatly task my capacity to respond to your commentary, such as it is...
[QUOTE=V1man;279980]If you think you're smarter and better informed than other members [bully behavior], why not have a go at me? I don't expect it will greatly task my capacity to respond to your commentary, such as it is...[/QUOTE] lol V1 you're still awesome!
[QUOTE][b]I think it's even easier to win with a big team with only 1 or 2 weak links, than it is to win a partner challenge with a weak teammate. [/B]We've seen weak competitors win team challenges a LOT more than we've seen weak competitors win partner challenges. CT did not need to carry his weak links by himself, he's had strong competitors with him both times. Bottom line is, your arguments are all hypothetical scenarios. You don't know how CT would do with Carley on FM2, all we know is Landon managed to win a challenge with a weaker teammate and CT hasn't[/QUOTE] So if you replace Landon with CT on the Inferno 2 the Bad ***** would of won? [QUOTE]And you really think Timmy is better than Landon? The same Timmy who was the worst competitor on his team in 7 of the 10 missions he competed in on the Inferno 3[/QUOTE] Yes i do. Timmy is "The Secret Weapon" as Beth stated on the Gauntlet 2 preview show. Was considered the strongest Road Rules competitor by his own team and by the Real World team on the Inferno 1 and was Road Rules leader. He beat two great competitors in Derrick and Abram(even though he got a DQ, he still basically beat Abram, he just made an ignorant mistake by standing up and knocking the glass out), andhe was consider a better competitor than Alton on the Inferno 3(Kenny who was on the Badasses said he would rather go up against Altonthan Timmy, stating that Timmy was "no joke") and was once again named captain(while also having a [B]bad leg injury[/B]). He was VERY strong, asevident in the first mission on the Inferno were he got across the wire with using just his hands, and utterly destroyed Derrick(a guy who outwrestled the 230 pound Syrus) in the final male Gauntlet on the Gauntlet 2. And he was the only player that Mike the Miz feared to go against as Mike admitted to being scared to face Timmy in the Inferno on the first episode of Inferno 1. He was very athletic as shown in the climbing wall mission on the Inferno 1, getting a time of 37 seconds, SMOKING every other competitor. He was a natural leader and had a great mindset about the challenges. [QUOTE] If you think you're smarter and better informed than other members [bully behavior], why not have a go at me? I don't expect it will greatly task my capacity to respond to your commentary, such as it is... [/QUOTE] LOL! You think you can take me, than come on! Who was a better overall competitor Theo V or The Miz? Explain.
You all are crazy because we all know that Kenny is by far the most superior athlete and would smoke CT and Landon any day. Duh.
[QUOTE=Superboy;279982] So if you replace Landon with CT on the Inferno 2 the Bad ***** would of won? [/QUOTE] Maybe. You said yourself the badasses had terrible team chemistry, and Landon would certainly be better for team chemistry than CT IMO (Seeing as how CT has argued with teammates on multiple occasions). At the end of the day it's completely irrelevant how Landon would have done on the Badasses.
[QUOTE=josePortugal;279988]You really are a joke put Timmy in front of guys like Landon, Alton and Darrell is insane[/QUOTE] That's because you don't know competitors. Mike the Miz himself feared Timmy. [QUOTE=JEK & Wes;279989]Maybe. You said yourself the badasses had terrible team chemistry, and Landon would certainly be better for team chemistry than CT IMO (Seeing as how CT has argued with teammates on multiple occasions). At the end of the day it's completely irrelevant how Landon would have done on the Badasses.[/QUOTE] Tina and Tonya are also are big reason to why they lost the final because they had to be carried. What more could Landon of done than Abram and CT who were carrying them?
[QUOTE=Superboy;279990] Tina and Tonya are also are big reason to why they lost the final because they had to be carried. What more could Landon of done than Abram and CT who were carrying them?[/QUOTE] Who knows what could have happened with Landon on the badasses instead of CT. It's pointless to argue hypothetical scenarios. [QUOTE]That's because you don't know competitors. Mike the Miz himself feared Timmy. [/QUOTE]You really put way too much consideration into how competitors are perceived by the cast. You know Danny (Austin) was looked at by the GG's as the Badasses best player on the Inferno 3, right? Does that make Danny a great competitor?
[QUOTE]You know Danny (Austin) was looked at by the GG's as the Badasses best player on the Inferno 3, right? Does that make Danny a great competitor?[/QUOTE] LOL when?
[QUOTE=Superboy;279982][QUOTE[B] Yes i do. Timmy is "The Secret Weapon" as Beth stated on the Gauntlet 2 preview show.[/QUOTE] Of course, you've taken Beth's statement completely out of context -- and it was said in a promotional show by an actress who is great at memorizing scripts and cashing the checks for it. [QUOTE] LOL! You think you can take me, than come on! Who was a better overall competitor Theo V or The Miz? Explain.[/QUOTE] [B]Why would I care and why would it make a difference?[/B] Both were good at some things and not good at others. Both are entertainers first, something completely averse to the far better Landon. Theo is a good guy and spent a lot of time trying to be funny, which worked -- sort of -- but not on Battle of the Network Reality Stars where he couldn't get along with America's favorite TAR-5 winner, Chip McAllister. I'll give him credit for winning the BNRS "Soapbox Derby" comp, but have to dock him for losing his cool during the final competition and being largely responsible for his team's elimination. It was so bad that he was on the the few who didn't turn up for the reunion show. Mike spent a lot of time trying to explain his relationship with Coral and defending the one with Trishelle. Theo clearly couldn't do that! And, Mike did make it to the finals of all but one challenge, so at least he didn't suck on average. Plus points for being on the winning side during Battle of the Seasons and The Inferno 2. And mega points for eating worms on Fear Factor and hosting Diva Search where the women were the ones on steroids. Neither one produced spectacular individual victories in one-v-one competition, but both competed in the day when the challenges were much less rigged/weighted to produce good TV.
[QUOTE][B]Of course, you've taken Beth's statement completely out of context [/B]-- and it was said in a promotional show by an actress who is great at memorizing scripts and cashing the checks for it. [/QUOTE] How so? She did say for the Veterans team, but Timmy was a secret weapon....he was stronger than most. [QUOTE][B]Why would I care and why would it make a difference?[/B] Both were good at some things and not good at others. Both are entertainers first, something completely averse to the far better Landon. Theo is a good guy and spent a lot of time trying to be funny, which worked -- sort of -- but not on Battle of the Network Reality Stars where he couldn't get along with America's favorite TAR-5 winner, Chip McAllister. I'll give him credit for winning the BNRS "Soapbox Derby" comp, but have to dock him for losing his cool during the final competition and being largely responsible for his team's elimination. It was so bad that he was on the the few who didn't turn up for the reunion show. Mike spent a lot of time trying to explain his relationship with Coral and defending the one with Trishelle. Theo clearly couldn't do that! And, Mike did make it to the finals of all but one challenge, so at least he didn't suck on average. Plus points for being on the winning side during Battle of the Seasons and The Inferno 2. And mega points for eating worms on Fear Factor and hosting Diva Search where the women were the ones on steroids. Neither one produced spectacular individual victories in one-v-one competition, but both competed in the day when the challenges were much less rigged/weighted to produce good TV.[/QUOTE] FAIL! Theo was better than the Miz he outperformed him on ALL THREE of the challenges they were on together, Battle of the Seasons, The Gauntlet, and Battle of the Sexes 2. When you analyze the all the challenges come back to me.
[QUOTE=Superboy;280016]How so? She did say for the Veterans team, but Timmy was a secret weapon....he was stronger than most. FAIL! Theo was better than the Miz he outperformed him on ALL THREE of the challenges they were on together, Battle of the Seasons, The Gauntlet, and Battle of the Sexes 2. When you analyze the all the challenges come back to me.[/QUOTE] They were on different freaking teams. How can you weigh their performance? Especially on Seasons when it was a partner one. BOTS2 Miz messed up once, Theo didn't mess up. I guess that means he VASTLY out-performed him. Gauntlet please provide me with a list of all of their times in every mission and I'll get back to you.
[QUOTE=Superboy;279982]So if you replace Landon with CT on the Inferno 2 the Bad ***** would of won? Yes i do. Timmy is "The Secret Weapon" as Beth stated on the Gauntlet 2 preview show. Was considered the strongest Road Rules competitor by his own team and by the Real World team on the Inferno 1 and was Road Rules leader. He beat two great competitors in Derrick and Abram(even though he got a DQ, he still basically beat Abram, he just made an ignorant mistake by standing up and knocking the glass out), andhe was consider a better competitor than Alton on the Inferno 3(Kenny who was on the Badasses said he would rather go up against Altonthan Timmy, stating that Timmy was "no joke") and was once again named captain(while also having a [B]bad leg injury[/B]). He was VERY strong, asevident in the first mission on the Inferno were he got across the wire with using just his hands, and utterly destroyed Derrick(a guy who outwrestled the 230 pound Syrus) in the final male Gauntlet on the Gauntlet 2. And he was the only player that Mike the Miz feared to go against as Mike admitted to being scared to face Timmy in the Inferno on the first episode of Inferno 1. He was very athletic as shown in the climbing wall mission on the Inferno 1, getting a time of 37 seconds, SMOKING every other competitor. He was a natural leader and had a great mindset about the challenges. LOL! You think you can take me, than come on! Who was a better overall competitor Theo V or The Miz? Explain.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Superboy;280016]How so? She did say for the Veterans team, but Timmy was a secret weapon....he was stronger than most. FAIL! Theo was better than the Miz he outperformed him on ALL THREE of the challenges they were on together, Battle of the Seasons, The Gauntlet, and Battle of the Sexes 2. When you analyze all the challenges come back to me.[/QUOTE] I didn't say one was better than the other. I was making fun of both. You may be "Superboy" but you clearly are not super-intuitive As for Beth, she will speak for herself. When she calls me back, I'll post her reply, assuming she stops laughing long enough to offer a reply. Personally, I think you should get a life. No reasonably normal person analyzes all the challenges. I certainly can't be bothered to do so. Yawn...
I don't see how he can keep arguing CT as the best competitor when he hasn't won a Challenge yet. He may be the best athlete but he is far from the best competitor.
[QUOTE=Nightwolf;280020]They were on different freaking teams. How can you weigh their performance? Especially on Seasons when it was a partner one. BOTS2 Miz messed up once, Theo didn't mess up. I guess that means he VASTLY out-performed him. [B]Gauntlet please provide me with a list of all of their times in every mission and I'll get back to you[/B].[/QUOTE] This is based on the missions that showed off individual strength and skill. Battle of the Seasons -Vertical Limit-Theo scores 18 while Miz scores 13 -Slam Dunk-Theo makes a basket while Miz doesn't -Ladder of Doom-Theo scores 3:01 whole Miz scores 4:00 -[B]Theo sweeps Mike[/B] The Gauntlet -Snake Soup-Mike won, he lasted much longer -Mud Bath-Tie, both got eliminated at the same time -Sink My Ship-Tie, both got sunked in the same round -Red Barron-Tie, no times were shown -Inferno-Theo won, he got a time of 0:36 while Mike got 0:50 -Rolling On A River-Mike won he lasted longer -Turntable-Theo won he lasted longer -All Or Nothing-Theo won he made it up the rope while Miz got a DQ -Vertical Sweep-Theo won he scored 1:26 while Mike scored 4:06 -Dukes Of Saturn-Theo won he scored 0:31:34 while Miz scored 0:38:78 -[B]Theo wins overall, 5 to 2.[/B] Battle of the Sexes 2 [B]Theo made it to the final 3 while Mike was the 7th male voted out[/B]. [QUOTE=TheFeedMachi;280030]I don't see how he can keep arguing CT as the best competitor when he hasn't won a Challenge yet. He may be the best athlete but he is far from the best competitor.[/QUOTE] Again, he never won a challenge because of bad teams, people losing it for him(Adam and Eric), and fighting. He still has proven to be a better individual competitor than all the people he's competed on a challenge with.
I think CT has only lost 1 final where you can it was just as his fault as his teams and that would be Inferno 1. They had to correctly assemble the crossword puzzle and all the words he suggested were way off. Inferno 2 he had Tonya and Tina to drag him down, Duel 1 was technically his fault but I kind of believe what him and Beth said in that there was no way for someone that won to not DQ, Gauntlet 3 was Eric's fault for sure, and Inferno 3 and Duel 2 were obviously his own damn fault. I would say though that Adam ruined his chances on Rivals
To be the best competitor you also have to be strong mentally where CT is weak at. He got kicked off 2 shows because he can't keep his composure and lost The Duel 1 because he made a huge mental mistake. He may be the best athlete but I don't consider him the best competitor.
[QUOTE=RubenJay05;280043]I think CT has only lost 1 final where you can it was just as his fault as his teams and that would be Inferno 1. They had to correctly assemble the crossword puzzle and all the words he suggested were way off. Inferno 2 he had Tonya and Tina to drag him down, [B]Duel 1 was technically his fault but I kind of believe what him and Beth said in that there was no way for someone that won to not DQ[/B], Gauntlet 3 was Eric's fault for sure, and Inferno 3 and Duel 2 were obviously his own damn fault. I would say though that Adam ruined his chances on Rivals[/QUOTE] Svetlana beat Kina without a DQ in Push Me.

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