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    cjslife is offline Member
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    Re: The Duel II: Speculation (Non-Spoiler)


    When Adam grabbed CT to regain his balance after CT got in his face and almost made him fall over, CT told Adam not too touch him and backed off a little but then Adam said "I'll touch you all I want." and hit or shoved him. I think what set CT off was when Adam reached for the cup or whatever it was, probably trying to dump something on CT's head like what happened in G3. So to me, it looks like Adam started it, he was doing alot of little things before CT snapped and punched him. I'm not saying that CT was right in punching him at all, it shouldn't have happened and if one of them walked away it could have been prevented. Adam was just pushing his buttons and I think that he got what he was asking for because he was continuing to confront CT.

    This is just what I think about the 30 seconds of the incident that was put on the trailer. There could be something else that happened that we haven't seen yet. I'll wait for the actual episode before I say anything else about it.

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    Re: The Duel II: New Zealand

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    I'm not arguing anything, Darock. I have simply reported that was told to me be witnesses. I've also provided an analysis of the legal questions involved in relation to the contract between the parties involved. Feel free to call the cast liars. Feel free to reject my legal analysis. I never respond to hypothetical statements as contained in your first sentence. That is something learned in both criminal law and civil procedure 101 in law school.

    How do you decided what is physical assault? Do you know the elements of the crime under the law controlling the contract or in the local jurisdiction involved? Do you know anything of the concept of proportional response as a element of self defense? It is something I'd leave to the experts. I know in one past incident, BMP's lawyer was not involved in the decision-making process. The executive producer made some decisions on his own without consulting legal counsel and it left the company completely and foolishly vulnerable to a serious civil action. From what I know from people who were there, BMP is again vulnerable, and I can't believe BMP's very capable legal counsel was involved.
    Sorry, been out of pocket. Internet isn't a tool of frequency in the Spanish plains. To molds 13, my sincerest apologies ma'am. And yes, before I begin, I failed to acknowledge that CT did lunge into Adam from previews.

    V1man - I'm an engineer, and I purposely chose it over law because I hated school, but wish I had pursued it only to form a formidable rebuttable, but since I didn't and I don't know the BMP bylaws, I haven't a viable defense against a legal analyst. Guilty?

    However before sentencing, I believe I am allowed a say on my behalf and I'm not a quitter regardless of how pointless one may view this losing battle?

    Yes, I agree that CT's response was unproportional to "Adam's antics", but a physical threat also involves perception, a perception of a threat or injury. Perception which is pretty hard to dispute no matter how far fetched the claim is. With that said, this gets CT off the hook. BMP/MTV/Viacom, etc ...... well, you're right, I have no understand in regards to the legal ramifications of said contracts, agreements, etc.

    Also, if misworded, then my fault, but i never was claiming that you were arguing anything, I just was saying that in a midst of an argument (CT/Adam) and tempers boiling, chopping at someone, and lunging a bottle/cup at someone's head can cause a reaction, and as unproportional as it was, Adam is not stupid. As for the incident as whole, yes, again you are correct. I have no testimony from witnesses, no understanding of the legal paperwork, nor do I have New Zealand bylaws, but I do know that I should expect a consequnce when I provoke someone with a raging bull mentality like CT's.

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    Re: The Duel II: Speculation (Non-Spoiler)

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    1. Don't post off topic stuff here (relating info from a currently taping challenge).

    2. Don't create what is a spoiler in an thread clearly labeled "The Duel II: Speculation (Non-Spoiler)"
    Last edited by V1man; May 15th, 2009 at 02:04 PM. Reason: What part about non-spoiler thread didn't you understand?

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